Football Hall of Fame- Yes or No

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Hines Ward and Moss have both been in the NFL since '98.

Over that time ... Hines Ward has played on exactly 0 offenses that have ranked in the top 6 for the year in points scored.

Moss has played on 7 different offenses that have ranked in the top 6 in points scored. Including the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history, the '98 Vikings and '07 Patriots ... two teams that went a combined 31-1 in the regular season.. and both with aging defenses that were two or three years past their prime. Still, those were the two best defenses Moss ever had.

Moss has 4 different seasons of 15+ touchdown catches. Hines Ward has never had more than 12 TD catches in a season .. and only 3 times in his entire career did he have more than 7 TD catches in a season.

Moss is tied for 3rd all-time in playoff TD Catches... even though he's only played in 11 career playoff games. Moss has 0.91 TD catches per game in the postseason. Jery Rice has 0.79 TD catches per game in the post season. Hines Ward has 8 TD catches in 14 playoff games.

But hey ... I know ... Hines Ward is obvious a WAY, WAY, WAY better defensive football player than Moss. Hines Ward has played for 7 different defensive units ranked in the top 7 in fewest points allowed in a season.

Moss has played for 8 different defensive units that have ranked 18th or worse in points given up. Yep ... he really sucks at playing defense.

How are you supposed to win Super Bowl rings when your defense gives up 427 yards to Chris Chandler and Jamal Anderson - and 517 yards to Kerry Collins and Ron Dayne like they did in the '98 and '00 NFC Championship games?

And who can forget the Vikes stellar defensive showing in the 2nd round of the '99 playoffs when they gave up a mere 49 points.

Don't get me wrong ... I said Ward is probably a hall of famer. But he's not even close to being the reciever Moss is.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by philcski

QB's
Brett Favre - Yes
Tom Brady -Yes
Peyton Manning - Yes
Drew Brees - Yes - I believe he will continue to produce in the long run.
Kurt Warner - Yes
Donovan McNabb - Has potential - but I don't see it.
Ben Rothlisberger - Yes
Carson Palmer - No

RB's * suprising lack of quantity here, add names as you feel fit
LaDanian Tomlinson - yes
Adrian Peterson - stay injury free he would be there.

WR's/TE's
Randy Moss - Yes
Hines Ward - Yes
Steve Smith (CAR of course) - No
Wes Welker - No
Larry Fitzgerald - Has it to be there. No for now
Anquan Boldin - No
Chad "Ochocinco" - No
Reggie Wayne - Yes
Terrell Owens - Yes
Andre Johnson - same as Fitz
Donald Driver - No
Torry Holt - No - teetering.
TJ Houshmanzadeh - No
Tony Gonzalez - Yes
Antonio Gates - Yes, if he continues his pace

Have to really look at Holt more closely. As for Gates, AP, McNabb, and some others, its just too early to tell.

[steve]

moss--detriment to the game

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Why - because he doesn't play defense and return kicks?

He's thrown a couple NFL TD passes, he returned a punt for a TD in the NFL, he's intercepted a pass.

All that with extremely limited chances to do so.

I have no idea why they didn't let him return kicks and play defense in his Vikings days when he was in his prime. Anyone see the tackle he made on Reavis? He would have been the best tackler in the Vikes secondary.

[slotdirt]

Holt's numbers are unbelievable, particularly when you consider just how awful the Rams have been the last three or four years.

I'd also throw Isaac Bruce in the mix - 2nd all time in receiving yards? I'd say he's a borderline HOF lock when you consider that James Lofton and Art Monk are already in the Hall. What is awesome about Bruce is how he has completely reinvented himself since his early career, and the fact that he's still playing pretty well at 36 going on 37.

Marvin Harrison isn't on that list, but I guess that is because he's semi-retired or otherwise involved in shooting investigations? Anyway, 100 percent HOF lock.