video of fight on bus

[The Bid]

Old white guy was in a handride. No telling how much ass he kicked when he was young. That guy shot his mouth off and got crowned. How funny is that.

The funniest part is he gave that kid every opportunity to look like he was the man. Moved seats, let him jaw. He had to come up there with the slap move and get dropped

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Old white guy was in a handride. No telling how much ass he kicked when he was young. That guy shot his mouth off and got crowned. How funny is that.

The funniest part is he gave that kid every opportunity to look like he was the man. Moved seats, let him jaw. He had to come up there with the slap move and get dropped

Odds the old dude is a former Airborne Ranger or Marine... 1/9

[The Bid]

No doubt about it. Hes kicked ass. He never flinched. When that kid sqwaked "whhhhhat" that old guy already knew he was clubbing him

[rpncaine]

Seemed like he was baiting the kid to hit him after he followed him up front and as soon as he hit him...BAM ass whooping coming your way son! Loved all those poeple egging him on and then saying "you want to press charges, I got it on tape?" What a bunch of douches. He hit the old dude first.

[The Bid]

People are so dumb. Press charges. He takes a slap at the guy and gets the piss beat out of him. Take your medicine and get off at the next stop.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

Seemed like he was baiting the kid to hit him after he followed him up front and as soon as he hit him...BAM ass whooping coming your way son! Loved all those poeple egging him on and then saying "you want to press charges, I got it on tape?" What a bunch of douches. He hit the old dude first.

like someone already mentioned you can hear the person recording it all say something like go whoop his azz


he's lucky the old man wasn't Bernie Goetz (sp?)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I'm also amazed that you took a comment I made, against the obvious violence in the video, and twist that into a disagreement we apparently have on healthcare legislation. Scuds, you got a problem. Switch to decaf will ya?

As a citizen, you have every right to blame the poor for their own situation, and not help them. What bothers me is when you said something about the Christian in you. The bar Christ set for Christians is very hi, and Conservatives don't even come close to obeying him. Many of your Conservative views are in direct disagreement with what Christ said in the following list of verses. I'm not saying it's easy to follow them. What I'm saying is your Conservatism is not match up with what he's telling you to do in the following verses.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45


"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."-Matthew 6:14-15 That's related to your judging those in need, and placing blame. You may, in fact, be right, but he's not interested in you judging them.


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24 (99.9% of Christians blow that off.)





"'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"-Matthew 19:21
Notice that he seems uninterested in why they're poor. It's about self sacrifice. It's not about you judging whether they're poor for the reasons you find acceptable. This is why your statements are wrong. They concern judging why people are poor, and earlier the verse said he didn't want you to judge them.



"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:2-4


"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost."-Matthew 18:12-14



"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:16-18

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-2In case you didn't get it the 1st time, all this judging of the poor (commonly done by Conservatives) is not Christian.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."-Matthew 6:19-21 99.9% of Christians blow this off.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

As a citizen, you have every right to blame the poor for their own situation, and not help them. What bothers me is when you said something about the Christian in you. The bar Christ set for Christians is very hi, and Conservatives don't even come close to obeying him. Many of your Conservative views are in direct disagreement with what Christ said in the following list of verses. I'm not saying it's easy to follow them. What I'm saying is your Conservatism is not match up with what he's telling you to do in the following verses.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45


"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."-Matthew 6:14-15 That's related to your judging those in need, and placing blame. You may, in fact, be right, but he's not interested in you judging them.


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24 (99.9% of Christians blow that off.)





"'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"-Matthew 19:21
Notice that he seems uninterested in why they're poor. It's about self sacrifice. It's not about you judging whether they're poor for the reasons you find acceptable. This is why your statements are wrong. They concern judging why people are poor, and earlier the verse said he didn't want you to judge them.



"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:2-4


"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost."-Matthew 18:12-14



"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:16-18

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-2In case you didn't get it the 1st time, all this judging of the poor (commonly done by Conservatives) is not Christian.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."-Matthew 6:19-21 99.9% of Christians blow this off.

You giving an Alter Call next, Pastor Scuds?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

You giving an Alter Call next, Pastor Scuds?

No, I don't claim to be a religious person. Many members of my mom's side of the family are into it. I do happen to know what Christ said about this, and I know most Conservative Christians would rather focus on the Old Testament. That is the part of the religion that people seem to like the most. It is, however, called Christianity.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

As a citizen, you have every right to blame the poor for their own situation, and not help them. What bothers me is when you said something about the Christian in you. The bar Christ set for Christians is very hi, and Conservatives don't even come close to obeying him. Many of your Conservative views are in direct disagreement with what Christ said in the following list of verses. I'm not saying it's easy to follow them. What I'm saying is your Conservatism is not match up with what he's telling you to do in the following verses.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45


"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."-Matthew 6:14-15 That's related to your judging those in need, and placing blame. You may, in fact, be right, but he's not interested in you judging them.


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24 (99.9% of Christians blow that off.)





"'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"-Matthew 19:21
Notice that he seems uninterested in why they're poor. It's about self sacrifice. It's not about you judging whether they're poor for the reasons you find acceptable. This is why your statements are wrong. They concern judging why people are poor, and earlier the verse said he didn't want you to judge them.



"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:2-4


"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost."-Matthew 18:12-14



"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:16-18

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-2In case you didn't get it the 1st time, all this judging of the poor (commonly done by Conservatives) is not Christian.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."-Matthew 6:19-21 99.9% of Christians blow this off.

How do you explain this?:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...stof.html?_r=1

Here's another article on the same subject:

http://article.nationalreview.com/30...ares/interview

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

How do you explain this?:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...stof.html?_r=1

Here's another article on the same subject:

http://article.nationalreview.com/30...ares/interview

Regarding the NY TImes article, I THINK a lot of the facts that he used were based on tax reporting? I know that I give a lot to charity and don't deduct it from my taxes for my own reasons. I think Republicans though..ok..many Republicans...have dubious charity giving deductions for purely selfish financial gain. In other words, I don't trust or believe what they report. Also, if you eliminate Church donations, that tilts things the other way a bit.

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Regarding the NY TImes article, I THINK a lot of the facts that he used were based on tax reporting? I know that I give a lot to charity and don't deduct it from my taxes for my own reasons. I think Republicans though..ok..many Republicans...have dubious charity giving deductions for purely selfish financial gain. In other words, I don't trust or believe what they report. Also, if you eliminate Church donations, that tilts things the other way a bit.

Any facts to support your Republican comments or are you just guessing?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

Any facts to support your Republican comments or are you just guessing?

No..just thought I would take a shot at being like a lot of the Righty posters here who just take cheap shots at Dems all the time without any back up. Kinda' fun..I can see why they do it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

No..just thought I would take a shot at being like a lot of the Righty posters here who just take cheap shots at Dems all the time without any back up. Kinda' fun..I can see why they do it.

You do remember Bill Clinton claiming his used 'donated' underware on his taxes no?

and Scuds are all these Catholic Hospitals for show? Remember when the government wanted to force them to perform abortions or risk losing funding? Seems their intentions are a bit out of whack?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Regarding the NY TImes article, I THINK a lot of the facts that he used were based on tax reporting? I know that I give a lot to charity and don't deduct it from my taxes for my own reasons. I think Republicans though..ok..many Republicans...have dubious charity giving deductions for purely selfish financial gain. In other words, I don't trust or believe what they report. Also, if you eliminate Church donations, that tilts things the other way a bit.

Even when it comes to people that make very little money and don't need deductions, it is the conservative christians that give the most.

If you've got two guys that each make $25,000 a year and one is a conservative christian and the other is a liberal, I make the conservative christain a 3-5 favorite to give more money to charity than the liberal. All the data shows that the conservative christians are the most generous when it comes to giving, regardless of income bracket.

Do you know who the least generous group is? The data shows that secular conservatives are the least generous group. And when you think about it, that makes sense.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by GBBob

No..just thought I would take a shot at being like a lot of the Righty posters here who just take cheap shots at Dems all the time without any back up. Kinda' fun..I can see why they do it.

John Wayne Gacy was just a typical Chicago dem

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

John Wayne Gacy was just a typical Chicago dem

John..you can do better than that. Stop proving my points with a single post.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Even when it comes to people that make very little money and don't need deductions, it is the conservative christians that give the most.

If you've got two guys that each make $25,000 a year and one is a conservative christian and the other is a liberal, I make the conservative christain a 3-5 favorite to give more money to charity than the liberal. All the data shows that the conservative christians are the most generous when it comes to giving, regardless of income bracket.

Do you know who the least generous group is? The data shows that secular conservatives are the least generous group. And when you think about it, that makes sense.

If your definition of "charity" includes donating to your local pastor's child abuse defense fund, then I agree. But seriously, eliminate "Church" from your data and you think that is still true?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by GBBob

John..you can do better than that. Stop proving my points with a single post.

I was just trying to help

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I was just trying to help

You better get your monachle (sp?) and riding crop out for tomorrow