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[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I never "claimed it isn't a real one". I stated the fact that the document released is not an actual full-length birth certificate. Is that relevant? I don't know.

I do know that Obama refuses to release his actual full-length birth certificate. Every time someone sues to force him to release it, his lawyers go to court and fight tooth and nail to keep it from being made public.

I have no idea where Obama was born. I assume he was born in Hawaii but it seems pretty suspicious that he is spending tons of money on lawyers to make sure that his full-length birth certificate is not released. Why doesn't he just release it and end the controversy? Wouldn't that be easier than constantly going to court?

Do you have a theory on why Obama has been spending tens of thousands, if not millions of dollars on lawyers to battle in court to make sure his full-length birth certificate is not made public?

i think it's an effort to keep the birther movement around so he can use it to paint all conservatives as conspiracy obsessed wack jobs by association.

face it. nothing will convince birthers. nothing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i think it's an effort to keep the birther movement around so he can use it to paint all conservatives as conspiracy obsessed wack jobs by association.

face it. nothing will convince birthers. nothing.

There will always be conspiracy theorists out there. There are people that think the US was behind 9/11. So I agree with you that some people would continue to claim Obama was born in Kenya even if he agreed to release his long-form birth certificate.

Releasing it may not shut everyone up. But I think it would shut most people up and more importantly it would put an end to all the lawsuits. People are going to court in all different states and demanding that the full-lengths birth certificate be released. Obama is then forced to send lawyers to all different states in each one of these cases and say that the plaintiffs have no standing to order the release of the birth certificate.

Obama could end all the lawsuits by simply releasing the full-length birth certificate.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There will always be conspiracy theorists out there. There are people that think the US was behind 9/11. So I agree with you that some people would continue to claim Obama was born in Kenya even if he agreed to release his long-form birth certificate.

Releasing it may not shut everyone up. But I think it would shut most people up and more importantly it would put an end to all the lawsuits. People are going to court in all different states and demanding that the full-lengths birth certificate be released. Obama is then forced to send lawyers to all different states in each one of these cases and say that the plaintiffs have no standing to order the release of the birth certificate.

Obama could end all the lawsuits by simply releasing the full-length birth certificate.

it wouldn't shut anyone up who still wastes a breath on this in february 2010. if you're still talking about obama's birth certificate now, you'll just move on to "it's a forgery and that's why they wouldn't release if for so long" should you ever get the long form.

i'll say it again. no evidence will ever convince a birther. none.

in the meantime, i'm sure the white house finds it useful to have seriously deluded people on the outskirts of tea party events. nothing beats a picture of the guy in a tin foil hat throwing his arms around your opponent.

[Danzig]

everything is a conspiracy......


don't you think, if there was anything to this, that someone would have uncovered that by now? hell, look at john edwards. the 'real' media ignored the enquirer when all that first came out-look who ended up vindicated. a 'rag mag'.


i neither know, nor care, why the whole certificate hasn't been produced. i think it's much ado about nothing, and not worth worrying about. it's a moot point.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it wouldn't shut anyone up who still wastes a breath on this in february 2010. if you're still talking about obama's birth certificate now, you'll just move on to "it's a forgery and that's why they wouldn't release if for so long" should you ever get the long form.

i'll say it again. no evidence will ever convince a birther. none.

in the meantime, i'm sure the white house finds it useful to have seriously deluded people on the outskirts of tea party events. nothing beats a picture of the guy in a tin foil hat throwing his arms around your opponent.

I think that's pretty silly to say that nothing will convince any of the "birthers". I agree with you that are a few die-hard birthers that will never be convinced. But I think the majority of birthers only became birthers because Obama has gone to such great lengths to make sure his certificate is not released.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy but the whole thing has even made me suspicious. When this whole story first started, I figured Obama would release the certificate and prove that the allegations of him being born in Kenya were nonsense. But even after people started suing, he still refused to release it. That would even make a rational person a little suspicious.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think that's pretty silly to say that nothing will convince any of the "birthers". I agree with you that are a few die-hard birthers that will never be convinced. But I think the majority of birthers only became birthers because Obama has gone to such great lengths to make sure his certificate is not released.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy but the whole thing has even made me suspicious. When this whole story first started, I figured Obama would release the certificate and prove that the allegations of him being born in Kenya were nonsense. But even after people started suing, he still refused to release it. That would even make a rational person a little suspicious.

why would obama want the issue to go away? there is zero downside to any play this still gets in the media. it's all positive from the white house point of view.

the problem is that birthers can't step outside themselves to see how they look to the rest of the world. you're like the black knight in monty python's holy grail. no arms. no legs. but still trying to put up a fight.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

why would obama want the issue to go away? there is zero downside to any play this still gets in the media. it's all positive from the white house point of view.

the problem is that birthers can't step outside themselves to see how they look to the rest of the world. you're like the black knight in monty python's holy grail. no arms. no legs. but still trying to put up a fight.

So you think that when Lou Dobbs was on CNN saying that he thinks Obama was born in Kenya, that it was actually good publicity for Obama? Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion if you honestly believe that. I don't think there could possibly be worse publicity for Obama.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you think that when Lou Dobbs was on CNN saying that he thinks Obama was born in Kenya, that it was actually good publicity for Obama? Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion if you honestly believe that. I don't think there could possibly be worse publicity for Obama.

that's because you live inside the birther bubble where such a suggestion is taken as a real possibility. outside, where most of us live, it's laughed off.

[Riot]

John McCain was NOT born in the United States. Why the birthers are not going ballistic over that is a mystery.

Oh, wait. It's not.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you think that when Lou Dobbs was on CNN saying that he thinks Obama was born in Kenya, that it was actually good publicity for Obama? Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion if you honestly believe that. I don't think there could possibly be worse publicity for Obama.

The same reason Republicans pump millions into the whacko left wing people, the more the Birthers chirp, the better it is for Obama. That is why I'll contribute money to the Tea Bag nuttos...more power to them. And I'm serious...every Liberal should send them money.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's because you live inside the birther bubble where such a suggestion is taken as a real possibility. outside, where most of us live, it's laughed off.

You actually have it totally backwards. The liberals live inside their own bubble and are totally out of touch with the mainstream. Many of the liberals I know tend to only talk politics with like-minded people. Most of them don't believe any type of negative story about one of their own. Any time there is some type of negative story, they think it's some sort of right-wing conspiracy.

The truth of the matter is that negative stories are never good because a high percentage of the population believe that when there's smoke, there's fire. Let's take George W. Bush, for example. There were accusations out there that he used to do coke when he was young. If he did in fact do coke, you would think that the people making the accusations would have had some evidence such as a witness who do it with him or someone who saw him do it. There were no such witnesses and there was no evidence.

Even though there was no evidence that he did coke, a high percentage of people think that it is true simple because of the belief that when there's smoke, there's fire. The funny thing is that in this case, there wasn't even any real smoke. There was zero evidence. Yet people still thought it was true because people were spreading rumors about it. Did Bush do coke? I have no idea. He may have. It wouldn't shock me if he did. But the truth of the matter is there is no evidence that he did. Evidence or not, if you did a poll I'll bet that a ton of people would say that they think he did coke simply because of the rumors about it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

The same reason Republicans pump millions into the whacko left wing people, the more the Birthers chirp, the better it is for Obama. That is why I'll contribute money to the Tea Bag nuttos...more power to them. And I'm serious...every Liberal should send them money.

I have never heard of a Republican giving money to whacko left wing groups. I could see them supporting a whacko left-winger in a primary if they thought the left-winger would have no chance in the general election. But other than that, I think this type of thing is rare.

If you think the tea-baggers are helping Obama, you are crazy. The Obama bashing, whether fair or not, is taking its toll on him. His poll numbers are way down and much of it has to do with the negative attacks, whether fair or not.

By the way, I personally like Obama better than some of the nutty, potential Republican candidates out there. I would vote for Obama over a nut like Ron Paul. I would vote for Obama over Sarah Palin.

[hi_im_god]

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[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I would vote for Obama over a nut like Ron Paul. I would vote for Obama over Sarah Palin.

But will you vote for Obama over Mitt Romney?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

But will you vote for Obama over Mitt Romney?

Mitt Romney for sure.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

But will you vote for Obama over Mitt Romney?

I would vote for Romney.

[Rileyoriley]

Romney.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I would vote for Romney.

That will be the choice, I think. I doubt Romney is electable, though, among his own party, based upon what happened last time with his religion within the party.

But who else from the GOP is a Presidential candidate?

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I don't believe Barackovish has but what difference does it make
I dislike McCain and want him to be replaced by someone that isn't always reaching across the aisle. McCain is a dem

this is the statement that shows the idiotic nature of a two party system. we don't want him working with the other guy because hes in the other party. how stupid, stupid, stupid. this is why the country is going down the sh!tter! besides the fact , they use dupes like this to continue the corruption. the constitution was written by people that did not agree on everything. some of them could not stand each other but they mended fences and made it work for the COUNTRIES benefit not their own or their parties. in fact many of them believed politicians should be unaffiliated, they knew party politics was a scheme. fast forward to today, we got morons fighting over every aspect of life and nothing gets accomplished. they value their stupid corrupt party more than the countries well being. led by morons, voted in by morons. watching c-span is the equivlant of watching the WWE . meanwhile, the country slides to the bottom. yup, soon a republican or a democrat can claim to be "KING OF THE SH^T HEAP". THEN THE SIDES CAN BE HAPPY......LOL........WE WON! i'm glad these are the same people that are in the mutuel pools, no wonder i win....lol ps. please keep betting horses...