Eskendereya skipping FL Derby, prefering Wood

[the_fat_man]

I can understand how people might want Nacho Friend back. But Leparoux moved much too soon on Awesome Act and still handled the perfect tripping Yawanna Twist relatively easily. Now, YT is clearly not much horse but for AA to win the way he did in a race that just screamed last move does say something.

[Betsy]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/111485.html

So much for Zito taking the conservative route. Sigh - Indomitable, you got your wish. I hate this move, but whatever.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess they would prefer four weeks between his last prep as opposed to six.

Understood except from the article it sounds more like its Zayat's call than Pletcher's, i.e. I'm not sure Pletcher wanted to do it this way.

Let's ask Fifth Third Bank what they think.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Dutrow told Grening that if he knew Eskenderaya wasn't running that he would send D'Funnybone in the FL Derby.

If D'Funnybone goes to the FLA Derby ....

I have to think the connections of A Little Warm have to be very tempted to abort the LA Derby stretch out and go in the Swale instead.

Hard to pass up being heavily favored in a Grade 2 stakes race with a probable small field.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I can understand how people might want Nacho Friend back. But Leparoux moved much too soon on Awesome Act and still handled the perfect tripping Yawanna Twist relatively easily. Now, YT is clearly not much horse but for AA to win the way he did in a race that just screamed last move does say something.

I agree in general.

Nacho Friend obviously ran well, and clearly better than the second horse, but Awesome Act beat him by enough that it will be a hard gap to reasonably expect him to close. Plus, I find it hard to believe longer distances won't favor the winner...at least over Nacho Friend.

Nacho Friend strikes me as the kind of horse that will be running in too many races that he can't win.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree in general.

Nacho Friend obviously ran well, and clearly better than the second horse, but Awesome Act beat him by enough that it will be a hard gap to reasonably expect him to close. Plus, I find it hard to believe longer distances won't favor the winner...at least over Nacho Friend.

Nacho Friend strikes me as the kind of horse that will be running in too many races that he can't win.

I expect Conveyance to dust him out West.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I expect Conveyance to dust him out West.

Any other 3:5 shots you like?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Any other 3:5 shots you like?

Oh Andy, I didn't say I'd bet it.....I just think that's a long trip to be drilled.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.drf.com/news/article/111485.html

So much for Zito taking the conservative route. Sigh - Indomitable, you got your wish. I hate this move, but whatever.

He was conservative in that he opted to stay at Gulfstream and run in what is no more than a very tough alw quality race with Grade 1 status attached to it.

I might have looked for an even easier Graded Stakes spot.. and would have no problem shipping a young lightly raced horse God knows where.

If D'Funnybone and A Little Warm both are lured away from the Swale ... and it appears I'd go post as a favorite in a Grade 2 ... I might cut him back to 7f and run there and depending on how he performed go either Derby Trial/Preakness or Lexington/Derby

[Kasept]

Tom Albertrani just said on ATR that another option for Odysseus is the Street Sense approach to Derby via the Blue Grass. He said while he isn't a fan of racing on synthetics, the benefit is a single ship to Kentucky rather than one to NY for Wood and then a second one to KY for Derby.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess they would prefer four weeks between his last prep as opposed to six.

The way things are going they will all be six weeks soon.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He was conservative in that he opted to stay at Gulfstream and run in what is no more than a very tough alw quality race with Grade 1 status attached to it.

I might have looked for an even easier Graded Stakes spot.. and would have no problem shipping a young lightly raced horse God knows where.

If D'Funnybone and A Little Warm both are lured away from the Swale ... and it appears I'd go post as a favorite in a Grade 2 ... I might cut him back to 7f and run there and depending on how he performed go either Derby Trial/Preakness or Lexington/Derby

That's fair that the FLA Derby is now coming up a glorified allowance race (albeit with some promising horses), but I don't know that Nick knew that before he made the decision. He's now started on the road where, if the colt runs well, he has to run him in the Derby - and he'll have had all of 3 starts. Maybe he thinks the colt is doing very well right now - he did just breeze a half in 47 recently - but I think I like your plan better.

[Danzig]

considering the crop thus far, i don't see a reason for nick to be bashful about running his lightly raced colt against anyone.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Danzig

considering the crop thus far, i don't see a reason for nick to be bashful about running his lightly raced colt against anyone.

I think there's a little BS involved about how "rushing" a young horse into facing "Grade 1" competiton is a recipe for ruining them.

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Tom Albertrani just said on ATR that another option for Odysseus is the Street Sense approach to Derby via the Blue Grass. He said while he isn't a fan of racing on synthetics, the benefit is a single ship to Kentucky rather than one to NY for Wood and then a second one to KY for Derby.

Graded stakes money? He's at $180k, but is that a lock to make the field? If he bombs on the poly (certainly a possibility), then what?

Street Sense was obviously the leading money earner going into that race so the money meant nothing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think there's a little BS involved about how "rushing" a young horse into facing "Grade 1" competiton is a recipe for ruining them.

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.

i think so too. i think you ruin a horse by not having him fit enough for a tough race, not by running him vs his peers.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

Graded stakes money? He's at $180k, but is that a lock to make the field? If he bombs on the poly (certainly a possibility), then what?

Street Sense was obviously the leading money earner going into that race so the money meant nothing.

$180k should be plenty. With situations like Lookin at Lucky, Nobles Promise and Dublin glomming the big gelt at Oaklawn, I don't get a sense there are going to be tons of leapfroggers.

$100,000 got you in last year.

[asudevil]

The schmucky decisions at Florida's premier track never cease to amaze us. Here's what ya get for moving it 6 weeks prior to Louisville.

"Where's ya head at....where's ya head at?"

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

$180k should be plenty. With situations like Lookin at Lucky, Nobles Promise and Dublin glomming the big gelt at Oaklawn, I don't get a sense there are going to be tons of leapfroggers.

$100,000 got you in last year.

Good point.
And 2nds at Sunland and FG are worth $160k and $150k respectively, so those finishers would need more. For some reason I was thinking $200k was last year's hurdle.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look at last years 3yo champion Summer Bird. He was 4th in a 6f MSW race at Oaklawn March 1st.

His 2nd career start didn't come till March 19th - when he broke his maiden. From there he ran in what would now be 7 straight Grade 1 Stakes race.

3rd career start in Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, Haskell, Travers, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Breeders Cup Classic.

Speaking of Tim Ice, I wonder if he'll try the same stunt this year with the good looking Rock Hard Ten colt, New Madrid, who broke his maiden in his 3rd start (after a runner up try and a "gimme" effort in a sprint for D. Wayne Lukas) on Saturday at Oaklawn.

He's out of a 1/2 sister to Cigar IIRC and owned by Shortleaf Stable (formerly Loblloly of Pine Bluff, Priarie Bayou fame).