The Boss has passed.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.

most guys like it or not matt that get to the top and our ceo's have no mercy , they don't let up on employees

these guys and now ladies are not there to be your friend , they are there to make sure that the job gets done

once the impression in the office that the boss is soft , it's over , people aren't on edge , they relax and that relaxation flows right down the organization

it's just the way it is matt , some people just call someone an a-hole because they are hard to work for i know i have and i have been wrong for it

[herkhorse]

All Star Day an ironic day for him to pass, no?

[Cannon Shell]

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

[AlreadyHome]

WOW I WOKE AN BREAKING NEWS WAS ON TV , THE YANKEES BOSS HAD DIE WHOAAAAAAAA THAT SUX , AN IT HURTSSSSS ,FIRST THE VOICE OF GOD DIES AN NOW THE BOSS..... RIP YOU'LL BE MISSED .,,, I'M SAD WOWWWWW

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

steve he bought the team in 1973 , there were ups and downs along the way , please explain to me how the team and baseball as a whole is not better off today than if he never entered the game

did i like everything , of course not , but , i look at the total package and it helped not only the yankees but baseball as well

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about

Peace out as.shole

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

George's mismanagement of the team doesn't mean that the monster (big market/small market) he created wont ultimately drag the league further down. When he bought the team MLB was clearly the number 1 sport in the US. That is far from the truth now and one of the primary reasons is that with proper management in the NFL virtually every team can compete.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

You know that the Marlins two World Series wins are the definition of buying a championship, right?

Also, the Twins won twice, not once.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

The Orioles are a great example of what i am talking about. They have actually spent more money than they should have based on revenues but havent won because they spent the money poorly.

The reason that the Yankees didn't win more championships was because of George. The late 90's teams were built during the era when George was banned. The latest yankee teams were built during a period when George was no longer calling the shots. This is not a coincidence.

[Cannon Shell]

The poor showings in the 1980s and 1990s would soon change. Steinbrenner hired Howard Spira to uncover damaging information on Winfield and was subsequently suspended from day-to-day team operations by Commissioner Fay Vincent when the plot was revealed. This turn of events allowed management to implement a coherent acquisition/development program without owner interference. General Manager Gene Michael, along with manager Buck Showalter, shifted the club's emphasis from high-priced acquisitions to developing talent through the farm system. This new philosophy developed key players such as outfielder Bernie Williams, shortstop Derek Jeter, catcher Jorge Posada, and pitchers Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.

The only Championships that had Stienbrenners fingerprints on them were the first two which were for a large part part due to Free Agent signings like Reggie and Catfish Hunter, among the first big money free agent signings.

[slotdirt]

God rest his soul, but dang, was Catfish Hunter just not that good. Worst modern starting pitcher in the HOF, easily.

Detroit isn't a small market team, for what it's worth. Neither are Boston or the Florida Marlins or the Mets, all teams that have won World Series titles in the Steinbrenner era. Toronto is a freaking huge city, albeit Canadian. Philly is what, like fourth largest media market? Atlanta is huge. The only legitimate small market/small payroll team to win the World Series since the Twins in '91 are the Diamondbacks, and I don't recall their payroll being small in 2001.

[pointman]

As a lifelong Yankee fan, I had times that I loved and hated Steinbrenner. However, the one constant was his will to win championships. Whether it is good or bad for the game, it has been good to be a Yankee fan. RIP to George and to Bob Sheppard as well.

[the_fat_man]

With all his money he couldn't BUY more than 80 years? No unfair advantage here?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

I think HIS negatives out weighed ALL he accomplished as a business man.......being very SUCCESSFUL!

R.I.P. George

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Actually, I thought I was going to read that Bruce had passed.

I would have prefer that