Beyer in Chilie - Page 2

_ed_ · #21 03-01-2011, 11:27 AM

48 vs 20 is a bit of a difference.

PatCummings · #22 03-01-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by _ed_

48 vs 20 is a bit of a difference.

The lack of a general ability to read these days KILLS me.

freddymo · #23 03-01-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

Hey Freddy - next time, quote me, will make it easier for others to compare your drivel to my actual post.

And further, maybe if you got off the soapbox and READ what I said, you would realize it has nothing to do with sheikhs or their horses. The two horses in question in my post are owned, and primarily raced, by UK-based connections.

Silaah is owned by Mrs. Jackie Love and David Nicholls (who also trains). While Final Drive is owned by Par 4 Racing and trained by John Ryan.

Do me a favor and block me from your feed, it will save you the trouble of being wrong again.

Wrong about what the fact that 90% of the stock is campaigned by middle eastern concerns that sole purpose is entertainment and have zero financial interest in the outcome of their decisions? Wrong about what, the fact that all of the stock that is campaign is the the result of the systematic removal of the very best animals aquired from both hemispheres? Wrong about the fact that the carnival is effective a freak show that is devoid of racing realty?
Pat if anyone is on a soap box its you trying to pitch this drug free BS on ATR and here. You point to this farce of a meet and a few select horses to attempt to validate your point that horses in the USA are a product of race day medication and poor breeding decisions(I guess when Shek Mo was spending 50 mil at Keeneland he was only buying the correctly bred US horses?). The horses in Dubai can race with whatever friggin drugs the owner of the country cares to give them. You think the testing is real and on the up and up why because the buildings that continue to arise are tall or because Sheik Mo says so? This is the same family that actively supports 10 year old boys being kidnapped and raped so they can have fun at the Camel races? Lo and Behold the rulers of the paradise known as Dubai are free from fixing drugs results yet freely import slaves to build there billion dollar racetracks and 2 billion dollar golf courses. Have a heart Pat we get they butter your bread but certainly you cant be so nieve as to think the Sheiks horses race pure because he and his have such a pristine conscience.

BTW that is interesting name on that Silaah horse, perhaps he was named with Dubai in mind. Or perhaps Silaah is owned by British nationals that effectively live in Dubai.

On a side note just because I completely disgree with your subjective "line my pockets" opinion doesnt mean its personal.

PatCummings · #24 03-01-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Wrong about what the fact that 90% of the stock is campaigned by middle eastern concerns that sole purpose is entertainment and have zero financial interest in the outcome of their decisions? Wrong about what, the fact that all of the stock that is campaign is the the result of the systematic removal of the very best animals aquired from both hemispheres? Wrong about the fact that the carnival is effective a freak show that is devoid of racing realty?
Pat if anyone is on a soap box its you trying to pitch this drug free BS on ATR and here. You point to this farce of a meet and a few select horses to attempt to validate your point that horses in the USA are a product of race day medication and poor breeding decisions(I guess when Shek Mo was spending 50 mil at Keeneland he was only buying the correctly bred US horses?). The horses in Dubai can race with whatever friggin drugs the owner of the country cares to give them. You think the testing is real and on the up and up why because the buildings that continue to arise are tall or because Sheik Mo says so? This is the same family that actively supports 10 year old boys being kidnapped and raped so they can have fun at the Camel races? Lo and Behold the rulers of the paradise known as Dubai are free from fixing drugs results yet freely import slaves to build there billion dollar racetracks and 2 billion dollar golf courses. Have a heart Pat we get they butter your bread but certainly you cant be so nieve as to think the Sheiks horses race pure because he and his have such a pristine conscience.

BTW that is interesting name on that Silaah horse, perhaps he was named with Dubai in mind. Or perhaps Silaah is owned by British nationals that effectively live in Dubai.

On a side note just because I completely disgree with your subjective "line my pockets" opinion doesnt mean its personal.

You're a gem Freddy, a real gem. Don't forget your meds next time. Feel free to sound like a lunatic on threads when I actually discuss Dubai racing. In the meantime, that sound you hear is ME ignoring YOU.

freddymo · #25 03-01-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

You're a gem Freddy, a real gem. Don't forget your meds next time. Feel free to sound like a lunatic on threads when I actually discuss Dubai racing. In the meantime, that sound you hear is ME ignoring YOU.

Again Pat we get you are on the payroll. In all fairness half of friggin Ky. and County Kildare are as well. It isn't ok to compare two completely different worlds of racing without at least pointing out the immense differences between them. Beyer went ahead and told people why horses race 300 times in a career. He gave the readers presumed facts on costs to train and purse structure and allowed the readers to make their own decision if the reasons for a horses 300 race career was breeding, training or economic necessity. You come on ATR and DT and speak about the horrors of race day meds and poor breeding and point to Tam Lin or other such pets that cost billionaires 100k a year to keep in training in artificially created billion dollar training facilities to race slowly 90 days a year. Respectfully its not OK and comes off very poorly and highly subjective.

Give Dutrow 20 horses in Dubai with unlimited money, unlimited meds, on site water thread mills, hyperbaric STALLS, and zero concern for 9 months of the year and I promise you he will put on a real friggin show for your home boyz.

Indian Charlie · #26 03-01-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by _ed_

48 vs 20 is a bit of a difference.

Yeah, I did misread that. I was busy with work and misread it as her running 32 times.

Still, that is almost certainly not the normal type of career for a top caliber g1 horse down there.

One instance a trend does not make.

Dahoss · #27 03-01-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Again Pat we get you are on the payroll. In all fairness half of friggin Ky. and County Kildare are as well. It isn't ok to compare two completely different worlds of racing without at least pointing out the immense differences between them. Beyer went ahead and told people why horses race 300 times in a career. He gave the readers presumed facts on costs to train and purse structure and allowed the readers to make their own decision if the reasons for a horses 300 race career was breeding, training or economic necessity. You come on ATR and DT and speak about the horrors of race day meds and poor breeding and point to Tam Lin or other such pets that cost billionaires 100k a year to keep in training in artificially created billion dollar training facilities to race slowly 90 days a year. Respectfully its not OK and comes off very poorly and highly subjective.

Give Dutrow 20 horses in Dubai with unlimited money, unlimited meds, on site water thread mills, hyperbaric STALLS, and zero concern for 9 months of the year and I promise you he will put on a real friggin show for your home boyz.

OOOOOOOOO

#28 03-01-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Again Pat we get you are on the payroll. In all fairness half of friggin Ky. and County Kildare are as well. It isn't ok to compare two completely different worlds of racing without at least pointing out the immense differences between them. Beyer went ahead and told people why horses race 300 times in a career. He gave the readers presumed facts on costs to train and purse structure and allowed the readers to make their own decision if the reasons for a horses 300 race career was breeding, training or economic necessity. You come on ATR and DT and speak about the horrors of race day meds and poor breeding and point to Tam Lin or other such pets that cost billionaires 100k a year to keep in training in artificially created billion dollar training facilities to race slowly 90 days a year. Respectfully its not OK and comes off very poorly and highly subjective.

Give Dutrow 20 horses in Dubai with unlimited money, unlimited meds, on site water thread mills, hyperbaric STALLS, and zero concern for 9 months of the year and I promise you he will put on a real friggin show for your home boyz.

Well said.

He loves de Kock.

Roll Tide.

freddymo · #29 03-01-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well said.

He loves de Kock.

Roll Tide.

de Kock would be successful anywhere.

brockguy · #30 03-01-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, I did misread that. I was busy with work and misread it as her running 32 times.

Still, that is almost certainly not the normal type of career for a top caliber g1 horse down there.

One instance a trend does not make.

So You Think the best horse in Australia ran 5 times in 45 days last year - all in G1 races, and they werent egg and spoon G1s either. He only won 4 of them though, coming 3rd in the Melbourne Cup 4 days after sauntering to a G1 win over 10f..

plus Im sure the lads like Ed can point to more horses that have campaigns like this every year!!

randallscott35 · #31 03-01-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well said.

He loves de Kock.

Roll Tide.

hockey2315 · #32 03-01-2011, 06:09 PM

I've heard from very reliable sources that the horses in Dubai are not nearly as medication free as we are led to believe. . .

freddymo · #33 03-01-2011, 06:20 PM

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I've heard from very reliable sources that the horses in Dubai are not nearly as medication free as we are led to believe. . .

Ya think? Pat's worried about my meds.lol Actually who cares what meds they do or dont use. The meet has zero worldwide creditabilty. The only people that give a dam about the meet are the non Sheik billionaire owners looking to pad their pockets and steal money or the owners looking to sell a horse to them to ruin.

I like watching the races and certainly look forward to world cup day and its OK racing. But applauding Tam Lin for making 6 starts in 7 weeks is just stupidity at it's finest.

freddymo · #34 03-01-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy

So You Think the best horse in Australia ran 5 times in 45 days last year - all in G1 races, and they werent egg and spoon G1s either. He only won 4 of them though, coming 3rd in the Melbourne Cup 4 days after sauntering to a G1 win over 10f..

plus Im sure the lads like Ed can point to more horses that have campaigns like this every year!!

Brock you are a legit guy. You think the offspring of Hussonet or Redoute's Choice or any of the top Aussie stallions are better made for racing more often or is more likely just training and philosophy dictate such circumstance?

_ed_ · #35 03-01-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy

plus Im sure the lads like Ed can point to more horses that have campaigns like this every year!!

Two others I can think of straight away are Zipping (45 starts so far) and the amazing sprinter Takeover Target (41 starts).

Cannon Shell · #36 03-01-2011, 07:55 PM

Why does anyone think that horses are racing drug free in other countries? Because they don't admit to running on Lasix? LOL. Yeah ok. Many of the "advances" in juice come directly from other countries. Brett Pelling and the "Blue magic" are direct imports from down under.

Here is a link from "drug-free" Australia http://www.theage.com.au/news/Horse-...996492071.html

Doesn't sound much different than here

Biancone didn't arrive on these shores squeaky clean only to be corrupted by our "drug culture".

Does anyone really believe South American racing is drug free?

Remember when Japanese trained Deep Impact tested positive in the Arc?http://www.drf.com/news/deep-impact-...tive-after-arc

As for using Dubai as an example of Drug free racing remember that there were more races run in the US last weekend than will be run in Dubai all year.

The idea that American bloodlines have been "weakened" by medication is laughable but sadly many people will continue to believe such nonsense. Foreign buyers buy far more bloodstock at public auction here than anywhere else.

Sadlers Wells- American bred (leading sire in Europe)
Danehill- American bred (leading sire in Europe and Australia)
More than Ready- American bred (top 3 sire in Australia)

Most of the top mares bought at Keeneland that are exported as breding stock are American bred.

The two most childish and simplistic (and absolutely wrong) myths about horseracing are the "medication weakens the breed" and "only a commissioner can save the game".

GPK · #37 03-01-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why does anyone think that horses are racing drug free in other countries? Because they don't admit to running on Lasix? LOL. Yeah ok. Many of the "advances" in juice come directly from other countries. Brett Pelling and the "Blue magic" are direct imports from down under.

Here is a link from "drug-free" Australia http://www.theage.com.au/news/Horse-...996492071.html

Doesn't sound much different than here

Biancone didn't arrive on these shores squeaky clean only to be corrupted by our "drug culture".

Does anyone really believe South American racing is drug free?

Remember when Japanese trained Deep Impact tested positive in the Arc?http://www.drf.com/news/deep-impact-...tive-after-arc

As for using Dubai as an example of Drug free racing remember that there were more races run in the US last weekend than will be run in Dubai all year.

The idea that American bloodlines have been "weakened" by medication is laughable but sadly many people will continue to believe such nonsense. Foreign buyers buy far more bloodstock at public auction here than anywhere else.

Sadlers Wells- American bred (leading sire in Europe)
Danehill- American bred (leading sire in Europe and Australia)
More than Ready- American bred (top 3 sire in Australia)

Most of the top mares bought at Keeneland that are exported as breding stock are American bred.

The two most childish and simplistic (and absolutely wrong) myths about horseracing are the "medication weakens the breed" and "only a commissioner can save the game".

Even if you were the commish?