Gov Walker steals from mortgage settlement fund

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Certain states are doing exactly that, qualifying underwater homeowners for relief.

Please list what states are qualifying homeowners who have not suffered any bank fraud as agreed to in the settlement, bank refusal for refinancing as found in the settlement agreement? There are underwater homeowners who suffered bank fraud in their refinance attempts, and those that have not. They are not the same under the settlement, and the second category isn't included or qualified for any of the settlement funds, while the first are.

This isn't some bailout of random underwater homeowners. This is a settlement secondary to massive, nation-wide mortgage and refinancing fraud on the part of the five major banks.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Please list what states are qualifying homeowners who have not suffered any bank fraud as agreed to in the settlement, bank refusal for refinancing as found in the settlement agreement? There are underwater homeowners who suffered bank fraud in their refinance attempts, and those that have not. They are not the same under the settlement, and the second category isn't included or qualified for any of the settlement funds, while the first are.

This isn't some bailout of random underwater homeowners. This is a settlement secondary to massive, nation-wide mortgage and refinancing fraud on the part of the five major banks.

The bailed out banks. The ones that own your boy. Iowa. I haven't had time to look for others just yet.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120215/BUSINESS/302150038/0/dmweather/?odyssey=nav|head
From an ACTUAL paper too.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The bailed out banks. The ones that own your boy. Iowa. I haven't had time to look for others just yet.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120215/BUSINESS/302150038/0/dmweather/?odyssey=nav|head
From an ACTUAL paper too.

LOL. Don't quote me newspaper stories. Quote from one of the actual state application websites, where it lists in detail the qualifications of the applicants.

You and Wiphan trying to defend the banks illegal mortgage fraud, and Gov. Scott Walker, is very entertaining.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL. Don't quote me newspaper stories. Quote from one of the actual state application websites, where it lists in detail the qualifications of the applicants.

You and Wiphan trying to defend the banks illegal mortgage fraud, and Gov. Scott Walker, is very entertaining.

Your defense of the President on any and all counts has been ridiculous. Talk of fraud while defending Obama is very entertaining, biggest fraud in our history. Walker is unclean, of course he is but he is far better than many governors and certainly cleaner than DC.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Your defense of the President on any and all counts has been ridiculous. Talk of fraud while defending Obama is very entertaining, biggest fraud in our history. Walker is unclean, of course he is but he is far better than many governors and certainly cleaner than DC.

LOL - this thread is about Governor Walker stealing from the mortgage settlement fund to cover up his massive budget deficit (the one he says doesn't exist).

Not about Obama. Not about DC. Not about other governors. Glad to hear you admit that Walker is unclean.

[nebrady]

Walker is doing fine. Whats I'm so sick of is these damn protesters! They got their recall signatures. So let them be counted and wait for your recall election.
But just this week they have to protest to mark the anniversary of their protest! Are you kidding me! Leave walker alone and speaking of cowards, don't hear you mention the democrats who fled the state last year instead of doing their job! Wisconsin is better because of walker! No stupid money eating train and finally someone willing to do something about the states deficit! Do us a favor and stay out of wisconsin's politics!

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - this thread is about Governor Walker stealing from the mortgage settlement fund to cover up his massive budget deficit (the one he says doesn't exist).

Not about Obama. Not about DC. Not about other governors. Glad to hear you admit that Walker is unclean.

WI budget deficit is actually remarkably low when compared to the rest of the states and more importantly the federal "budget". At least they have one to measure.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - this thread is about Governor Walker stealing from the mortgage settlement fund to cover up his massive budget deficit (the one he says doesn't exist).

Not about Obama. Not about DC. Not about other governors. Glad to hear you admit that Walker is unclean.

why don't you respond to the facts that I posted and the actual mortgage settlement documents instead of your own random thoughts or what you read on liberal blogs or newspapers

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Since you don't take time to read the actual portion that states the payments to the states. I will post it for you so hopefully you can read it.
How much did walker so call steal? Was it the entire amount or was it the portion that could be designated as civil penalties?


VI. Payments to the States
The remaining settlement funds, approximately $2.5 billion, will be paid to the participating states.
The funds may be distributed by the attorneys general to foreclosure relief and housing programs,
including housing counseling, legal assistance, foreclosure prevention hotlines, foreclosure
mediation, and community blight remediation. A portion of the funds may also be designated as
civil penalties for the banks robo-signing misconduct

yes, i remember the article i read stating it was the attorney general who conferred with the governor about the money. of course the title of the thread didn't mention him-i guess he's not a thief?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, i remember the article i read stating it was the attorney general who conferred with the governor about the money. of course the title of the thread didn't mention him-i guess he's not a thief?

You mean the Attorney General who refused to investigate his buddy Walker, so the FBI had to be contacted to initiate the John Doe investigation? The one that is resulting in multiple felony charges in Walker's office, that is still ongoing?

The citizens of Wisconsin are discussing with the lead Attorney who lead the deal with the banks, and the Feds, to see if what Walker has decided to do about stealing millions from his citizen's settlement - in consultation with nobody else in the Government but his Attorney General - is legal.

Walker and the GOP in Wisconsin has cost Wisconsin hundreds of thousands in legal fees. He's lied to the citizens. He's not balanced the budget. He's lost massive amounts of jobs.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

why don't you respond to the facts that I posted and the actual mortgage settlement documents instead of your own random thoughts or what you read on liberal blogs or newspapers

Why are you trying to change the subject? Why the name calling? Why don't you respond to the multiple legal problems Walker and Fitzgerald have caused the state, rather than going off on tangents?

Your effort to make the banks the victims in the mortgage fraud settlelment is a ridiculous defense of your industry.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why are you trying to change the subject? Why the name calling? Why don't you respond to the multiple legal problems Walker and Fitzgerald have caused the state, rather than going off on tangents?

Really. Your subject is walker steals from the mortgage settlement fund. I gave you the actual part from the settlement which shows how the money is supposed to be handled by the state. The settlement specifically states that a portion of the money can be used for civil penalties to be paid to the state for robosigning. Walker used a portion of the money to apply to the budget. Please explain how I am wrong and how this is wrong. If the banks avoided paying government recording fees by robosigning wouldn't the state be eligible to receive that income along with civil penalties?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why are you trying to change the subject? Why the name calling? Why don't you respond to the multiple legal problems Walker and Fitzgerald have caused the state, rather than going off on tangents?

Your effort to make the banks the victims in the mortgage fraud settlelment is a ridiculous defense of your industry.

Please show me in this thread where I am defending the banks or calling the banks victims. I am pointing out to you where you are wrong about the settlement. End of story. Obviously there was wrong doing otherwise the banks wouldn't have cut this deal. You simply do not understand the settlement. The banks are doing a lot from this settlement outside of the payments to the state. Please take the time to read the few sentences I gave you from the settlement and specifically comment on that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Really. Your subject is walker steals from the mortgage settlement fraud. I gave you the actual part from the settlement which shows how the money is supposed to be handled by the state. The settlement specifically states that a portion of the money can be used for civil penalties to be paid to the state for robosigning.

You probably need to read up in those conservative blogs and papers again. What loss has Wisconsin suffered, "exactly", due to robosigning? Seems they, like homeowners, will have to show they were affected, and in what amount.

But why would that money go into Scott Walker's budget deficit? Rather than into the target of the settlement, housing-associated problems brought on by the mortgage fraud and intended to rectify it?

Face it, you're wrong about the ability of states to freely use the settlement money for whatever the hell they want. Thinking that money going to Wisconsin regarding robosigning can be simply placed into the general budget doesn't meet the very requirements of the settlement you are quoting.

Pretending that "Well, we guess Wisconsin lost property tax money because of the housing crisis, so we can steal some of the settlement money in lieu of property tax money to fix my budget crisis before my recall" is baloney.

But that decision by Walker and the state Attorney General, too, will cost Wisconsin money when that action of Walker's goes to court. Poor Walker - everything he does ends up in court. Well, the court will decide this one, too.

Tell me, Wiphan - what do you think about Walker lying about having balanced the budget? What do you think about Wisconsin's - Walker's - six straight months of job loss, the worse in the nation? What do you think about the multiple felony charges coming out of his Country office, and him being investigated, for political malfeasance and stealing from the public (doing campaign work while the public pays for it)? You really think this guy is doing a good job for Wisconsin?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You probably need to read up in those conservative blogs and papers again. What loss has Wisconsin suffered, "exactly", due to robosigning? Seems they, like homeowners, will have to show they were affected, and in what amount.

But why would that money go into Scott Walker's budget deficit? Rather than into the target of the settlement, housing-associated problems brought on by the mortgage fraud and intended to rectify it?

Face it, you're wrong about the ability of states to freely use the settlement money for whatever the hell they want. Thinking that money going to Wisconsin regarding robosigning can be placed into the general budget doesn't meet the very requirements of the settlement you are quoting.

Pretending that "Well, we guess Wisconsin lost property tax money because of the housing crisis, so we can steal some of the settlement money in lieu of property tax money to fix my budget crisis before my recall" is baloney.

But that decision by Walker and the state Attorney General, too, will cost Wisconsin money when that action of Walker's goes to court. Poor Walker - everything he does ends up in court. Well, the court will decide this one, too.

Do you know what civil penalties are? What is your plan with the $140 million?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You probably need to read up in those conservative blogs and papers again. What loss has Wisconsin suffered, "exactly", due to robosigning? Seems they, like homeowners, will have to show they were affected, and in what amount.

But why would that money go into Scott Walker's budget deficit? Rather than into the target of the settlement, housing-associated problems brought on by the mortgage fraud and intended to rectify it?

Face it, you're wrong about the ability of states to freely use the settlement money for whatever the hell they want. Thinking that money going to Wisconsin regarding robosigning can be simply placed into the general budget doesn't meet the very requirements of the settlement you are quoting.

Pretending that "Well, we guess Wisconsin lost property tax money because of the housing crisis, so we can steal some of the settlement money in lieu of property tax money to fix my budget crisis before my recall" is baloney.

But that decision by Walker and the state Attorney General, too, will cost Wisconsin money when that action of Walker's goes to court. Poor Walker - everything he does ends up in court. Well, the court will decide this one, too.

Tell me, Wiphan - what do you think about Walker lying about having balanced the budget? What do you think about Wisconsin's - Walker's - six straight months of job loss, the worse in the nation? What do you think about the multiple felony charges coming out of his Country office, and him being investigated, for political malfeasance and stealing from the public (doing campaign work while the public pays for it)? You really think this guy is doing a good job for Wisconsin?

Who runs a good state government? WHich Governor is the model by which all others should be measured?
Because you have chosen Walker as your target, you find things to abuse. Why do you not question everyone else in the same manner with the same vigor? What did Walker ever do that effected you directly?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Who runs a good state government? WHich Governor is the model by which all others should be measured?
Because you have chosen Walker as your target, you find things to abuse. Why do you not question everyone else in the same manner with the same vigor? What did Walker ever do that effected you directly?

Victimhood so soon?

Nonsense. No, Walker promised alot, then immediately went about union busting, lying, and getting in legal trouble. He's destroying the state.

As I have said, I have family and friends there, let alone a vested property interest. But I don't need anybody's permission to pay attention to the politics in Wisconsin. Every citizen in this country - at least those that care - have been paying attention to the ALEC agenda being put forth by the Republican Governors Association: Walker in Wisconsin, Snyder, Scott in Florida, Ohio. They are destroying those states.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Do you know what civil penalties are? What is your plan with the $140 million?

Do you not know what the settlement says the monies are to be used for?

Padding lying Scotties budget deficit, at the expense of Wisconsin citizens, isn't one of them.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you not know what the settlement says the monies are to be used for?

Padding lying Scotties budget deficit, at the expense of Wisconsin citizens, isn't one of them.

You obviously can't read. I will try again. A PORTION OF THE $ paid to the states CAN BE CONSIDERED CIVIL PENALTIES! If the state collects some money as civil penalities where does that money go?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Victimhood so soon?

Nonsense. No, Walker promised alot, then immediately went about union busting, lying, and getting in legal trouble. He's destroying the state.

As I have said, I have family and friends there, let alone a vested property interest. But I don't need anybody's permission to pay attention to the politics in Wisconsin. Every citizen in this country - at least those that care - have been paying attention to the ALEC agenda being put forth by the Republican Governors Association: Walker in Wisconsin, Snyder, Scott in Florida, Ohio. They are destroying those states.

So nobody then? You cannot provide a good example because if you try that person will be slapped around because they are all dirty.