Mass Shooting in Wisconsin

[Danzig]

it's all well and good to point out the differences....but no loonie is going to care. that guy was already a racist, and apparently on the edge. it didn't matter one whit to him whether his victims were muslim or not-they were 'different'. just like the batman shooter didn't care who his victims were.
and those who are pointing out that they 'aren't muslims'-if they were, would you be as sympathetic? i would imagine that the answer for some would be 'no', and that's a shame.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am originally from NJ and very familiar with the Sikh people and their religion, their is a very large population there. I am OK with the differences being brought up too because the majority of Americans are clueless on pretty much every topic.

I'm familiar with them through my work and if everyone was Sikh the world would be a much nicer place, that's for sure.

Their consistent record of achieving the American dream starting with nothing should make the occupy crowd and anyone else crying and whining blush in embarrassment and get a job.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's all well and good to point out the differences....but no loonie is going to care. that guy was already a racist, and apparently on the edge. it didn't matter one whit to him whether his victims were muslim or not-they were 'different'. just like the batman shooter didn't care who his victims were.
and those who are pointing out that they 'aren't muslims'-if they were, would you be as sympathetic? i would imagine that the answer for some would be 'no', and that's a shame.

What I think is a shame is the people of the U.S. not familiar with Sikhism are not being allowed to hear what the Sikhs are saying because although true it's not PC.

Especially when the main difference involves equality and acceptance of other religions. But why let facts get in the way.

[Riot]

Attention Americans who are Muslim haters and bigots - don't fear! The right-wing skinhead killer actually killed Sikhs. You're safe from finger-pointing at any consequences for your bigotry for now.

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...,4837148.story

From todays Baltimore Sun:

Not all is rosy for American minorities. Some politicians and media personalities are actively engaged in fear mongering, mainly against American Muslims. Because some confuse them with Muslim extremists, the rhetoric has caused more than 1,000 hate crimes, including murders, against the American Sikh community since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

According to a Sikh leader in the Milwaukee area, two taxis owned by Sikh drivers were vandalized, and two Sikh men were assaulted there following9/11. American Muslims still get to face the brunt of the injury, according to Muslim civil rights organizations, with thousands of complaints filed every year.

What, then, keeps the American minorities so committed to the United States? The answer lies in the wounds of the police officers recuperating in Wisconsin's hospitals. American minorities are cognizant that no matter how much hate the bigots spew and no matter how many bullets the lunatics fire, the institutions and the Constitution of America are on their side.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Please for sanity's sake quote riot with just riot.

No one was saying muslims deserve violence. It's the voices going off in her head again.

I didn't say that, you remarkable fool. If you are going to refuse to read what I write, then stop trying to pull responses to what I write out of the ignorance of thin air.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Attention Americans who are Muslim haters and bigots - don't fear! The right-wing skinhead killer actually killed Sikhs. You're safe from finger-pointing at any consequences for your bigotry for now.

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...,4837148.story

From todays Baltimore Sun:

Not all is rosy for American minorities. Some politicians and media personalities are actively engaged in fear mongering, mainly against American Muslims. Because some confuse them with Muslim extremists, the rhetoric has caused more than 1,000 hate crimes, including murders, against the American Sikh community since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

According to a Sikh leader in the Milwaukee area, two taxis owned by Sikh drivers were vandalized, and two Sikh men were assaulted there following9/11. American Muslims still get to face the brunt of the injury, according to Muslim civil rights organizations, with thousands of complaints filed every year.

What, then, keeps the American minorities so committed to the United States? The answer lies in the wounds of the police officers recuperating in Wisconsin's hospitals. American minorities are cognizant that no matter how much hate the bigots spew and no matter how many bullets the lunatics fire, the institutions and the Constitution of America are on their side.

It was nice of them to point out that a "right-wing skinhead" (did they ask him about his politics?) was not informed about the people he was killing. Or the other racist idiots. Thank god there are newspapers to share this valuable insight.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Ignorance among the population, I was shocked when I heard this was a Sikh temple, made no sense as they are truly peaceful people, my second thought, sadly, was that some horrible excuse for a human thought they were Muslims.
That is the world we live in now.

Exactly. But they are less Sikh's, than Americans. And that's what is worse. And we don't have to tolerate any such world.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

It was nice of them to point out that a "right-wing skinhead" (did they ask him about his politics?) was not informed about the people he was killing. Or the other racist idiots. Thank god there are newspapers to share this valuable insight.

Like 'Zig said, this guy just decided he was entitled to go on a spree and kill anybody he wanted. I'm sick of loonies using excuses to blow others away. But I'm glad they are investigating it as domestic terrorism/hate crime. It may prove not to be, but if it is, then middle-age white guys can get in the "you're a religious terrorist, too" boat.

I'm tired of the f.u.c.k.ing way Foster Of Xenophobes "News", and members of our Congress, have had a public hate-on for "Muslims" the past 10 years - how dare they. Yes, they have blood on their hands for fostering violence and hate and intolerance in this society. Shut the eff up, you ignorant bigots. This country is a country, not of old white arrogant, self-entitled, intolerant Christians, but of multi-cultural, multi-diverse immigrant families and their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. The only native true native Americans have been abused beyond reason in their own right. Anybody who thinks they own America, and are better than their fellow Americans - get the hell out. You're a danger to this democracy and country's ideals.

[Riot]

Skinheads afraid this jerk will give racists, bigots and skinheads a bad name:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/us...ting.html?_r=1

Officials at the Southern Poverty Law Center said they had been tracking Mr. Page for about a decade because of his ties to the white supremacist movement and described him as “a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.”

They said he played guitar and sang vocals for a band started in 2005 called End Apathy.

“This guy was in the thick of the white supremacist music scene and, in fact, played with some of the best known racist bands in the country,” said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the center. “The music that comes from these bands is incredibly violent and it talks about murdering Jews, black people, gay people and a whole host of other enemies. It is music that could not be sold over the counter around the country.”

Mr. Page was living in a rented apartment in Cudahy, about five miles from the sprawling Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek, a suburb of Milwaukee. He was shot by police after he fired several shots at a police officer tending to one of the victims, officials said.

Police Chief John Edwards of Oak Creek did not give a motive for the shooting, which is being treated as an act of “domestic terrorism.”

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What I think is a shame is the people of the U.S. not familiar with Sikhism are not being allowed to hear what the Sikhs are saying because although true it's not PC.

Especially when the main difference involves equality and acceptance of other religions. But why let facts get in the way.

oh, that is rich coming from you dell.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, that is rich coming from you dell.

Yea why criticize a religion whose doctrine says all non-believers are infidels, calls for jihad for things like cartoons, and who kill thousands of daughters each year in the name of honor! Not to mention attempting to slaughter the people we are speaking of because they simply believed in Sikhism,

I suppose as long as women in this country have access to subsidized or free health care who cares?

[dellinger63]

And if we want change and at least I do. Let's dedicate at least half of all foreign aid going to such countries to helping women achieve equality!

[dellinger63]

And one last thing as this episode has shown. The expression of hate and racism in the form of violence is a far different animal than a disagreement about the public opinion of a guy who sells chicken sandwiches.

Let's reserve the words like hate, racist, etc. for something truly despicable and horrific and not toss them casually as a simplistic rhetorical tool within the parlor game of modern political debate.

Hear that Riot!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea why criticize a religion whose doctrine says all non-believers are infidels, calls for jihad for things like cartoons, and who kill thousands of daughters each year in the name of honor! Not to mention attempting to slaughter the people we are speaking of because they simply believed in Sikhism,

I suppose as long as women in this country have access to subsidized or free health care who cares?

what in the world does your second paragraph have to do with the first?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what in the world does your second paragraph have to do with the first?

Simple

Basically as far as women rights and equality are concerned, there are bigger fish to fry!

and the silence and defense as 'most muslims are peaceful' rings at a bit hypocritical.

I have and will never have ANY respect for a religion who treats their women as most Americans treat there dogs.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what in the world does your second paragraph have to do with the first?

i concluded long ago that dell has his own private language.

i'm sure what he posts makes sense to him but it just looks like a string of non-sequiturs to me. i don't try to decode it anymore. i just enjoy the ride.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i concluded long ago that dell has his own private language.

i'm sure what he posts makes sense to him but it just looks like a string of non-sequiturs to me. i don't try to decode it anymore. i just enjoy the ride.

You would never understand as indicated by your moniker 'hi i'm god'

But keep reading.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let's reserve the words like hate, racist, etc. for something truly despicable and horrific and not toss them casually as a simplistic rhetorical tool within the parlor game of modern political debate.

Yeah! Reserve them for when people are like ... hateful, racist, and bigoted. And demonstrate it.

[my miss storm cat]

So to be clear there are still three people hospitalized?

Geez isn't Obama gonna go and hand out phone numbers to these people?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

So to be clear there are still three people hospitalized?

Geez isn't Obama gonna go and hand out phone numbers to these people?

Three hospitalized still. One the officer who underwent 10 hrs. of surgery. All still ICU.

Obama called in condolences and that's all you can ask.

Except inviting the Sikhs who under the worse of circumstances so eloquently and calmly explained the difference between their religion and the muslin religion to the W.H. for a punjab dinner. Even Michelle would approve as it's guaranteed heart healthy! And they might be able to teach the Pres. a thing or a thousand.

They can explain how if you work your azz off even if you wear a turban, speak with an accent, are darker than white and people shun you can still be a success in this great country!