It is time to reveal the real Paul Ryan

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Now actually try answering my questions without your vague, baseless responses. I already busted you on the health care debate.

Your level of debate skill and political acumen are on brilliant display for all to appreciate, as it always has been here on Dee Tee

When you get angry, you can't hide your usual typing style and word use. Better watch that, or more people will figure out who you really are.

[DaTruth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T73phKWYHTc

1:41 is a classic. "The reforms we seek will bring greater . . . inefficiencies to our healthcare system."

[Thepaindispenser]

Here goes Riot again with the classic strategy right out of her idol David Axelrod's play book, which is when you don't have anything intelligent to say then attack the poster personally. What is next Riot? I am shocked you haven't called me a racist yet, which is what an obama worshipper does when they are basically admitting they have lost the argument.

[jms62]

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

[Danzig]

•Maintains Defense spending that is nearly twice the $400 billion (adjusted for today's dollars) that General Eisenhower spent in the 1960s
•Shreds the safety net provided by $100 billion in food stamps and $300 billion in Medicaid
•Does not cut one dime from Medicare or Social Security for another decade
•Includes no serious plan to create jobs
•Radically cuts taxes on the richest Americans while eliminating tax breaks that mostly help the middle class
•Fails to even consider a "value-added sales tax," which is the only way the country can begin to climb out of its budget hole


the bolded above is from the story jms linked.

on the first bullet-it's absurd. i think the two biggest problems i have with republicans are their love of defense spending (which is already incredibly massive, exactly why does it need increasing?) and their continued song and dance of tax cuts for the wealthiest, who pay less and less as the years go by. and as they pay less, the jobs don't increase, and the debt grows. so exactly what does giving tax breaks to the wealthy accomplish? well, nothing, unless you're the wealthy guy laughing because he's doing better and better.

bullet number three-again, other than defense, medicare/caid and ss are the other huge drain on the fed. that and defense are the two elephants in the corner that everyone ignores. ignoring those programs does nothing to address the concerns there. a small move now would not only put things back on track, but would lessen the larger, and more painful moves that would be needed in future if nothing is done now-and has anyone seen anyone in d.c. make any move there? nope. the payroll tax cuts that keep getting argued about-that's a lowering of ss payments. yeah, the program needing help-it's got less funds coming in than planned for, so that hole will grow.

the next two points, see my comments about the first bullet point. as the article i linked to the other day showed, the higher taxes were on the wealthy, the more they grew jobs-perhaps because that was a way to avoid taxes, and perhaps shelter some of the money by putting it in business? lower taxes, hell, they'll just let that stuff sit there and accumulate-and that's exactly what they're doing with it.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

First, nobody has said 20 years except you. Harry Reid said 10 years. Secondly, why would he be prosecuted - has he broken the law? Do you realize that saying he hasn't paid taxes on his millions is not the same thing as saying he broke the law? No? Guess not. Nuance. You doan have it.

Do you know if he took tax amnesty for his offshore accounts? No, we don't. Would you like to know? I would!

What absolute nonsense. If Romney dodged taxes on millions of dollars he should and would be prosecuted. Your answer is nothing but drivel dodging the obvious.

If making tax returns public is so important, than why does Harry Reid refuse to release his tax returns?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

What absolute nonsense. If Romney dodged taxes on millions of dollars he should and would be prosecuted. Your answer is not but drivel dodging the obvious.

Try hard to post without drooling insults out of the side of your mouth.

Did Romney take the IRS tax amnesty for his offshore accounts to prevent being prosecuted, or not? He refuses to show us the returns that give that info.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Try hard to post without drooling insults out of the side of your mouth.

Did Romney take the IRS tax amnesty for his offshore accounts to prevent being prosecuted, or not? He refuses to show us the returns that give that info.

Try answering the question I posed instead of your typical deflection with insults. Why won't Reid release his own tax returns?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Try answering the question I posed instead of your typical deflection with insults. Why won't Reid release his own tax returns?

Reid isn't the subject. Romney is. Did Romney take the IRS tax amnesty, to avoid prosecution for his offshore accounts tax havens?

Inquiring minds want to know, and Romney refuses to tell.

BTW, Ann Romney taped an interview with Brian Williams that will be shown tomorrow night, and clip are already out: she gets pretty damn huffy about their income taxes. Doesn't help their cause.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Reid isn't the subject. Romney is. Did Romney take the IRS tax amnesty, to avoid prosecution for his offshore accounts tax havens?

Inquiring minds want to know, and Romney refuses to tell.

BTW, Ann Romney taped an interview with Brian Williams that will be shown tomorrow night, and clip are already out: she gets pretty damn huffy about their income taxes. Doesn't help their cause.

Just what I thought. The real answer is that Reid won't release his own tax returns because this is a canard. Romney is absolutely right not to release his returns just so the Democrats can use is to create more false B.S. issues. Once again, thanks for playing.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Just what I thought. The real answer is that Reid won't release his own tax returns because this is a canard. Romney is absolutely right not to release his returns just so the Democrats can use is to create more false B.S. issues. Once again, thanks for playing.

Harry Reid isn't running for President. Who the hell gives a damn about his returns?

Mitt Romney is running for President. Mitt Romney himself, when he was running for Gov. of Mass, said, "Offshore accounts are just places to hide money".

Did Mitt Romney take IRS tax amnesty to avoid prosecution for his offshore accounts, and tax shelters in the Caymens? Romney won't tell. Romney hasn't even released one full year of taxes - he's withheld documents.

Considering Romney lied outright to the public in his run for Governor of Mass., and was caught lying repeatedly and outed publicly about what state he used as his home state on his returns (he lied and said it was Mass, but it was Utah, and that was outed publicly, and Romney refiled to change it) - nobody is believing Romney now when he says he's not done anything illegal with his taxes.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Harry Reid isn't running for President. Who the hell gives a damn about his returns?

Mitt Romney is running for President. Mitt Romney himself, when he was running for Gov. of Mass, said, "Offshore accounts are just places to hide money".

Did Mitt Romney take IRS tax amnesty to avoid prosecution for his offshore accounts, and tax shelters in the Caymens? Romney won't tell. Romney hasn't even released one full year of taxes - he's withheld documents.

Considering Romney lied outright to the public in his run for Governor of Mass., and was caught lying repeatedly and outed publicly about what state he used as his home state on his returns (he lied and said it was Mass, but it was Utah, and that was outed publicly, and Romney refiled to change it) - nobody is believing Romney now when he says he's not done anything illegal with his taxes.

So you are saying that lying while running for office is unacceptable and anyone caught doing so should not be considered electable right?

[Clip-Clop]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

Some of these are really good ideas too. Shame they were all lies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

So you are saying that lying while running for office is unacceptable and anyone caught doing so should not be considered electable right?

No.

I think that lying while running for office is something that voters have an absolute right to investigate, in order to make decisions before they vote.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Some of these are really good ideas too. Shame they were all lies.

As Don King would say, "Only in America"

Feelings both actual and conceived now trump common sense both present and future.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

As Don King would say, "Only in America"

Feelings both actual and conceived now trump common sense both present and future.

Trump?

Racist birther.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No.

I think that lying while running for office is something that voters have an absolute right to investigate, in order to make decisions before they vote.

Unless they are uneducated and swept up in the greatest marketing campaign in history of course.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

No.

I think that lying while running for office is something that voters have an absolute right to investigate, in order to make decisions before they vote.

So do you think that proven lies used when pandering to certain voters, such as Obama's claims in a 2007 speech in Selma, Alabama that President Kennedy sponsered the airlift in Africa responsible for bringing his family to the U.S, when in reality Obama's father came to the U.S. 2 years before JFK was President and his claim that Selma's 1965 Bloody Sunday demonstration brought his parents together which led to his birth when in fact he was born four years before that demonstration are more important regarding a candidate's qualifications than the pure speculation that Romney is lying about dodging the payment of his taxes?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Unless they are uneducated and swept up in the greatest marketing campaign in history of course.

All politics is marketing. That's why Mitt's week has been completely disastrous. Sheldon Adelson has hundreds of millions and has said he'll spend them. They are currently outspending 4 to 1. Not getting much for it, however, the poll numbers just won't rise.

I hope Sheldon gets to purchase his Department of Justice via his owned operative President Romney, in order to halt that currently ongoing federal investigation that would ruin his business.

Wow - can you imagine if candidate Obama did that? What would be said about it? Limbaugh, Erickson, Hannity - their heads would literally explode, wouldn't they?

Marketing - Fodder of Xenophobes knows how to do it best