Vice Presidential Debate

Also I particularly enjoyed Biden dissing the prescription drug benefit for seniors after he had promoted it and the saving seniors will have.

He knew that he f.ucked up too and slightly recoiled at what he was saying. The sign of a borderline senile person.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Also I particularly enjoyed Biden dissing the prescription drug benefit for seniors after he had promoted it and the saving seniors will have.

He knew that he f.ucked up too and slightly recoiled at what he was saying. The sign of a borderline senile person.

Coach what we need is your gif of the Biden-Palin debate

I'm going to bigrun the f.uck out of this thread.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

LOL

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Coach what we need is your gif of the Biden-Palin debate

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Attachment 2066

[OldDog]

Didn't take long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLrIheW-viM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FEXI4taZW0

[Rudeboyelvis]

From last night - great source for a fresh image macro

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

From last night - great source for a fresh image macro

I see forthcoming slash fic!

[bigrun]

[bigrun]

The Joe Biden Workout.

The vice president was everywhere at once. He probably won the debate. He definitely shed a few pounds.

Biden won the debate, but it was a qualified victory. He energized Democrats who had been down in the dumps since the president’s supine performance, but he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest. Swing voters might have been turned off, too. But it probably doesn’t matter since they’re going to vote for the top of the ticket. It was close in the post-debate polls of undecided voters. In a CBS poll, 50 percent thought Biden had won; only 31 percent thought the same of Ryan. In the CNN poll, 48 percent thought Ryan won. Only 44 percent thought Biden came out on top.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...acks_digs.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone else think it's funny that Romney and Ryan flat out refuse to answer how their tax cuts are going to work out mathematically?

Biden only laughed when Ryan was lying or dissembling. Ouch.

[Riot]

The Vice Presidential Debate: Joe Biden Was Right to Laugh
Matt Taibbi Blog
POSTED: October 12, 10:45 AM ET

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz296eLeZd7


The essence of the whole campaign for me was crystalized in the debate exchange over Romney's 20 percent tax-cut plan. ABC's Martha Raddatz turned the questioning to Ryan:

MS. RADDATZ: Well, let's talk about this 20 percent.

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Well – (chuckles) –

MS. RADDATZ: You have refused yet again to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you actually have the specifics, or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters?

Here Ryan is presented with a simple yes-or-no answer. Since he doesn't have the answer, he immediately starts slithering and equivocating:

REP. RYAN: Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. You see, I understand the –

"We want to have bipartisan agreements?" This coming from a Republican congressman? These guys would stall a bill to name a post office after Shirley Temple. Biden, absolutely properly, chuckled and said, "That'd be a first for a Republican congress."

Then Raddatz did exactly what any self-respecting journalist should do in that situation: she objected to being lied to, and yanked on the leash, forcing Ryan back to the question.

I'm convinced Raddatz wouldn't have pounced on Ryan if he hadn't trotted out this preposterous line about bipartisanism. Where does Ryan think we've all been living, Mars? It's one thing to pull that on some crowd of unsuspecting voters that hasn't followed politics that much and doesn't know the history. But any professional political journalist knows enough to know the abject comedy of that line.

Still, Ryan was banking on the moderator not getting in the way and just letting him dump his trash on audiences. Instead, she aggressively grabbed Ryan by his puppy-scruff and pushed him back into the mess of his own proposal:

MS. RADDATZ: Do you have the specifics? Do you have the math? Do you know exactly what you're doing?

So now the ball is in Ryan's court. The answer he gives is astounding:

REP. RYAN: Look – look at what Mitt – look at what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did. They worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that. What we're saying is here's our framework: Lower tax rates 20 percent – we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. We forgo about 1.1 trillion [dollars] in loopholes and deductions. And so what we're saying is deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation –

Three things about this answer:

1) Ryan again here refuses to answer Raddatz's yes-or-no question about specifics. So now we know the answer: there are no specifics.

2) In lieu of those nonexistent specifics, what Ryan basically says is that he and Romney will set the framework – "Lower taxes by 20 percent" – and then they'll work out the specifics of how to get there with the Democrats in bipartisan fashion.

3) So essentially, Ryan has just admitted on national television that the Romney tax plan will be worked out after the election with the same Democrats from whom they are now, before the election, hiding any and all details.

So then, after that, there's this exchange.

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Can I translate?

REP. RYAN: – so we can lower tax rates across the board. Now, here's why I'm saying this. What we're saying is here's a framework –

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: I hope I'm going to get time to respond to this.

REP. RYAN: We want to work with Congress –

MS. RADDATZ: I – you'll get time.

REP. RYAN: We want to work with Congress on how best to achieve this. That means successful – look –

MS. RADDATZ: No specifics, yeah.

Raddatz did exactly the right thing. She asked a yes-or-no question, had a politician try to run the lamest kind of game on her – and when he was done, she called him on it, coming right back to the question and translating for viewers: "No specifics."

Think about what that means. Mitt Romney is running for president – for president! – promising an across-the-board 20 percent tax cut without offering any details about how that's going to be paid for. Forget being battered by the press, he and his little sidekick Ryan should both be tossed off the playing field for even trying something like that. This race for the White House, this isn't some frat prank. This is serious. This is for grownups, for God's sake.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...#ixzz296dwGrm3

Rolling Stone. Whoa it must be true.

If I post a link from that piece of s.hit payola mag be sure to e-slap me.