Random Post Election Thoughts

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

For the democrats, 2016 will probably come down to Mark Warner of Virgina VS a big name from the north like Hilary, Biden, or Cuomo.

I think Mark Warner has been planning and calculating a president run since 2004...and he's made all of the right moves, especially getting out of the way in 2008 and accepting the keynote speech at Obama's first convention ... Obama had the keynote at Kerry's convention and Clinton had the keynote at the '88 convention.

I would make Mark Warner a big favorite to be the nominee in 2016 unless Obama leaves up insanely popular.


On the republican side -- it's Chris Christie VS the best bible beating candidate that emerges.

paul ryan did a lot to distinguish himself during the campaign. i'd make him the early favorite over christie as the "moderate" republican choice.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

For the democrats, 2016 will probably come down to Mark Warner of Virgina VS a big name from the north like Hilary, Biden, or Cuomo.

I think Mark Warner has been planning and calculating a president run since 2004...and he's made all of the right moves, especially getting out of the way in 2008 and accepting the keynote speech at Obama's first convention ... Obama had the keynote at Kerry's convention and Clinton had the keynote at the '88 convention.

I would make Mark Warner a big favorite to be the nominee in 2016 unless Obama leaves up insanely popular.


On the republican side -- it's Chris Christie VS the best bible beating candidate that emerges.

Hillary and Biden will be too old. Cuomo has to be considered the fav at this point as he is a skilled politician, is a popular Gov (at this point) in a Democratic stronghold with plenty of old guard support.

Christie started running the day the hurricane hit but he is a flawed candidate who has really pissed off many in the GOP with his over the top praise of Obama in the Hurricane aftermath. That won't be forgotten by the GOP.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by cal828

I'm not the most informed person when it comes to taxes for sure, so somebody tell me:

1. Would there be a "fiscal cliff," if the Bush tax cuts had never been been put in place?

2. If tax cuts were the solution to all our problems, then why aren't we up to our necks in jobs, after said tax cuts were put in place?

1:The tax cuts were the biggest contributor to the deficit, but starting two wars and Medicare Part D didn't help. The big problem is, the tax cuts were passed on the condition that they were temporary, but when it came time to repeal them, the economy was in a deep recession and it was political poison to do so.

And there was no sound reasoning for passing them. Originally it was, "We have a surplus and the economy is going great guns! Ergo, tax cuts!" Then, after the tech market crashed and the projected surplus vanished, it became, "The economy is in trouble! Ergo, tax cuts!"

2: Tax cuts don't create jobs. Demand for products and services creates jobs. I don't understand how the entire nation has been hornswaggled by the tax cuts create jobs ridiculousness. And to create enough demand, you need a large middle class with income to spend.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hillary and Biden will be too old. Cuomo has to be considered the fav at this point as he is a skilled politician, is a popular Gov (at this point) in a Democratic stronghold with plenty of old guard support.

Christie started running the day the hurricane hit but he is a flawed candidate who has really pissed off many in the GOP with his over the top praise of Obama in the Hurricane aftermath. That won't be forgotten by the GOP.

Cuomo would make Mark Warner all the more inevitable.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Cuomo would make Mark Warner all the more inevitable.

Why?

[cal828]

{I don't understand how the entire nation has been hornswaggled by the tax cuts create jobs ridiculousness. And to create enough demand, you need a large middle class with income to spend.}

Well, maybe not the entire nation. And I think your last sentence hits the nail on the head. Middle class has been decimated by the shipping of jobs to China, Mexico, Guatemala, et al by the corporate crowd. So not only does Obama have to deal with a recalcitrant Congress, but probably more importantly, also figure out how to bring jobs back to the U.S. What a daunting task.

[dellinger63]

Life goes on albeit with higher taxes, healthcare costs etc. etc.

But at least gays are able to be open in the military, women have abortion and contraceptive coverage, and millions of illegals will be able to search for work.

Maybe we should throw a couple more billion to destroy cars or maybe this time run down homes. And let's not forget our friends in Egypt and Pakistan. We simply need to raise the debt limit to a zillion and forgetaboutit!

Our grandkids at least the rich friends of our grandkids will cover it.

[miraja2]

My 2016 odds:

Chris Christie (R) 4/1
Paul Ryan (R) 5/1
Andrew Cuomo (D) 6/1
Hillary Clinton (D) 6/1
Mark Wrner (D) 8/1
Martin O'Malley (D) 10/1
Marco Rubio (R) 12/1
Jeb Bush (R) 12/1
John Thune (R) 15/1
Bob McDonnell (R) 15/1
Joe Biden (D) 20/1
Tim Pawlenty (R) 20/1
Brian Schweitzer (D) 30-1
Rick Santorum (R) 75-1
Field (12/1)

[rpncaine]

GOP will go with knee jerk reaction and nominate a Latino. My money is on Rubio.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

But at least gays are able to be open in the military, women have abortion and contraceptive coverage, and millions of illegals will be able to search for work.
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considering you put this in a sentence with two other things you obviously dont support.

What is wrong with gays serving open in the military?

Have you ever been in the military?

if you have, thank you. if you havent, then you can gtfo with that bullcrap.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

My 2016 odds:

Chris Christie (R) 4/1
Paul Ryan (R) 5/1
Andrew Cuomo (D) 6/1
Hillary Clinton (D) 6/1
Mark Wrner (D) 8/1
Martin O'Malley (D) 10/1
Marco Rubio (R) 12/1
Jeb Bush (R) 12/1
John Thune (R) 15/1
Bob McDonnell (R) 15/1
Joe Biden (D) 20/1
Tim Pawlenty (R) 20/1
Brian Schweitzer (D) 30-1
Rick Santorum (R) 75-1
Field (12/1)

I don't think Christie has a chance. He is a bully, his temperment isnt going to play well, NJ has major financial issues, he has pissed off a tremendous amount of the GOP and he is fat. That is not a good combination. He is getting a lot of kudos for his appearance of being bipartisan with the Obama love but that is going to hurt him a lot in the primaries.

I don't think Jeb Bush has a chance unless he changes his last name.

Biden will be 74, no chance.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by miraja2

My 2016 odds:

Chris Christie (R) 4/1
Paul Ryan (R) 5/1
Andrew Cuomo (D) 6/1
Hillary Clinton (D) 6/1
Mark Wrner (D) 8/1
Martin O'Malley (D) 10/1
Marco Rubio (R) 12/1
Jeb Bush (R) 12/1
John Thune (R) 15/1
Bob McDonnell (R) 15/1
Joe Biden (D) 20/1
Tim Pawlenty (R) 20/1
Brian Schweitzer (D) 30-1
Rick Santorum (R) 75-1
Field (12/1)

tim pawlenty just took a job as a wall street lobbyist. he's done with elective office.

if i could get 12-1 as a "field" bet on either nomination i'd be tempted.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

considering you put this in a sentence with two other things you obviously dont support.

What is wrong with gays serving open in the military?

Have you ever been in the military?

if you have, thank you. if you havent, then you can gtfo with that bullcrap.

The troops, you know the guys and girls fighting for us didn't support it and my support for them led to me writing the above.

BTW I have also stated my support for abortion. As long as it doesn't require someone else, especially the catholic church to pay for it.

And as far as the illegals, aren't they now allowed in the same employment line with returning troops? That's a dirty shame.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The troops, you know the guys and girls fighting for us didn't support it and my support for them led to me writing the above.

BTW I have also stated my support for abortion. As long as it doesn't require someone else, especially the catholic church to pay for it.

And as far as the illegals, aren't they now allowed in the same employment line with returning troops? That's a dirty shame.

god bless you, dell. from your mouth to republican party ears.

better for all of us democrats if they continue listening to you rather than pay any attention to marco rubio who said today: “The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities who are trying to make it, and Republicans need to work harder than ever to communicate our beliefs to them.”

keep banging away at immigrants. you're doing the lord's work.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The troops, you know the guys and girls fighting for us didn't support it and my support for them led to me writing the above.

BTW I have also stated my support for abortion. As long as it doesn't require someone else, especially the catholic church to pay for it.

And as far as the illegals, aren't they now allowed in the same employment line with returning troops? That's a dirty shame.

it's because people like you that republicans dont get elected lately. you fuel the extremest position.

you hate muslim laws, yet you want religious policies in America.

Until the Republican party stops pandering to people like you, they are going nowhere.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the bigger concern is vote buying. if you're paid to vote a certain way the picture could be the proof to collect your payment.

the california ballot wasn't that bad. maddow was probably referencing florida.

btw, after this election the home of ronald reagan has no statewide elected officials who are republican and a 2/3 democratic majority in both the state assembly and state senate. prior to the election there it was thought the senate might possible get a 2/3 majority but the assembly is a complete surprise.

it's been an amazing 18 year decline since the california republican party tied themselves to an anti-immigrant stance with prop 187. they will literally be almost meaningless in statewide politics for the next 2 years.

You know the old expression, "Be careful what you hope for, you may get it." As you said, the democrats have controlled the California state assembly and state senate for years now. How has that been working out for you? It is beyond mind-boggling that people here in California could keep voting for these clowns. Could they have done a worse job? Look at the condition of our state.

When it comes to national politics, it's a little different story. You could blame either party. You could say that the republican controlled house is to blame. You could say Obama is to blame. You could say that Bush is to blame. It's not like one party has controlled everything. But in California, the democrats have basically had sole control for years. They are the only ones to blame for the condition of our state. How could anyone keep on voting for them? I will tell you how. Many of the people here are so stupid that they just vote for anyone with a "D" by their name. I don't understand it. People see what a terrible job the hacks in the state assembly have done. Why do people even care what party they are in? If they're doing a bad job, vote for someone else.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The troops, you know the guys and girls fighting for us didn't support it and my support for them led to me writing the above.

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as usual, you are wrong about that too.

http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/0...ected-031212w/


why dont you read up on some fact once and awhile.


here's another one from BEFORE the repeal... which again shows how you are again factually incorrect. 70% of troops supported the repeal of DADT. Dont assume the brave folks who fight for us are as close minded as you are.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010...tor-fehrenbach

[Danzig]

keep up the good fight, anti. maybe you can get some of that to sink in.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

tim pawlenty just took a job as a wall street lobbyist. he's done with elective office.

That's right. I totally forgot about him quitting as co-chair of the Romney campaign awhile back to go to work as a lobbyist.
You're absolutely right. He's done.
I never could quite figure out why he couldn't get more traction in Iowa this time around. He seems like the type of Republican that conservatives would like but independents and moderates wouldn't fear. The lack of charisma is obviously a problem, but that didn't stop John Kerry or Mitt Romney from getting nominated.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

considering you put this in a sentence with two other things you obviously dont support.

What is wrong with gays serving open in the military?

Have you ever been in the military?

if you have, thank you. if you havent, then you can gtfo with that bullcrap.

Friend of mine, retired Marine (they are Marines forever) when asked about gays in military said..'i don't give a shiit as long as they can shoot straight'.