Bigger collapse?- Oracle/Gales/Anybody!

[GPK]

Faldo shot 67 that day to Norman's 78.

Faldo hit 16 greens in regulation that final round and he had 15 uphill birdie putts, which is the key at Augusta. Pratically a flawless round of golf.

Geez Astros were pathetic tonight in a game they knew they needed to win, should we call this a major collapse?

Ah, the irony of it all.
Cards now in front 1 1/2, two days left to go......
Cards are playoff bound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gander]

Even die hard Yankee fans admit that was if not the biggest choke, top 3 easily. No excuse for it.

Every Yankee fan I know but Oracle calls this one of the biggest chokes ever. Just think if it was a 5 game series, Yankees would have swept, right Mike? No way should the Yankees have somehow found a way to win 1 more game in the next 4. Thats a tough feat against a bum like Schilling whos tendon is coming out of his ankle.

Kev, thanks for the stats, I had gone back and posted the scores in one of the posts right before yours.

Originally Posted by Gander

Even die hard Yankee fans admit that was if not the biggest choke, top 3 easily. No excuse for it.

Every Yankee fan I know but Oracle calls this one of the biggest chokes ever. Just think if it was a 5 game series, Yankees would have swept, right Mike? No way should the Yankees have somehow found a way to win 1 more game in the next 4. Thats a tough feat against a bum like Schilling whos tendon is coming out of his ankle.

Kev, thanks for the stats, I had gone back and posted the scores in one of the posts right before yours.

I just never saw it as a choke. Show me the game they choked in?
Red Sox simply had a better team that year, I've always felt that.

[Gander]

Mike- I remember you busting my chops on the ESPN board after the Yankees went up 2-0 and then even more after 3-0. You cant tell me you thought the Red Sox had any chance to win the series after they lost those first 3 games. I certainly didnt and I am a huge fan. I thought both teams were very equal that year. If you did believe the Sox would come back and win 4 straight I think you could have made a nice score in any sports book. I mean the kind of score that helps buy a house.

Tim,
The best score anyone ever made, and the truest definition of collapse, was the A's losing 4 straight to the Reds.
I read an article on that series, this is a fact, gamblers anonymous saw participation in their meetings increase over 30% after that series was over.
Guys bet the A's in the first game, and just kept doubling down. Anyone who took the Reds in a sweep made a fortune. I dunno about winning a house, but I do know that according to GA many people actually lost their homes on that series.
A friend of mine who owned a restaurant in Burlington was one of the double down guys who got killed. Guy had to take out a second mortgage to pay up.

[quote=oracle80]I don't think all come from behinds are collapses Tim, thats where you and I differ.
I read all about "michigan St's collapse" this past weekend, and I read about the "eagles collapse" against the Giants. I didn't get those either. I watched both games, and I simply saw two teams who absolutely did everything right and badly outplayed their opponents in the last 1/4's. Same with the Buffalo-Houston playoff game where the Bills were losing like 35-3 at halftime. I mean Holy ****!! In the second half the Bills played every down on offense and defense perfectly!!!!! I'm sorry but that wasn't a Houston collapse, that was one team just kicking the **** out of the other one. Big difference to me.


I remember that Buffalo-Houston game well.. Jeff Fisher's run and shoot offense couldn't keep Buddy Ryan's defense off the field. Finally came to a head, with Buddy throwing a punch at Fisher..wasn't Buddy's first, or last punch.. It wasn't so much of a collapse, as it being an offense that wasn't geared to set on a lead.

Whether Frank Reich started the game..and came in for Kelly is a little fuzzy.

Ez

[quote=ezrabrooks]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't think all come from behinds are collapses Tim, thats where you and I differ.
I read all about "michigan St's collapse" this past weekend, and I read about the "eagles collapse" against the Giants. I didn't get those either. I watched both games, and I simply saw two teams who absolutely did everything right and badly outplayed their opponents in the last 1/4's. Same with the Buffalo-Houston playoff game where the Bills were losing like 35-3 at halftime. I mean Holy ****!! In the second half the Bills played every down on offense and defense perfectly!!!!! I'm sorry but that wasn't a Houston collapse, that was one team just kicking the **** out of the other one. Big difference to me.


I remember that Buffalo-Houston game well.. Jeff Fisher's run and shoot offense couldn't keep Buddy Ryan's defense off the field. Finally came to a head, with Buddy throwing a punch at Fisher..wasn't Buddy's first, or last punch.. It wasn't so much of a collapse, as it being an offense that wasn't geared to set on a lead.

Whether Frank Reich started the game..and came in for Kelly is a little fuzzy.

Ez

Ezra it was reich who came in.
I will never forget watching the 2nd half. It was pretty obvious after the 2nd Buffalo touchdown when the crowd went insane how it was gonna end.
My friend said after the third touchdown that place was actually shaking from the noise and complete insanity. You could just see Buffalo had made some adjustments at halftime and came out not defeated, but like a team on a mission. Reich just kept throwing it and they just kept catching it. And the defense lead by Bruce Smith just swarmed on them on every play.
I was just trying to say that not all teams who blow leads in games or series collapse, sometimes the other team just kicks it into turbodrive and outplays them.

[ninetoone]

Just to clarify, Reich didn't "come in" in that comeback game. He started and played the whole game. Kelly had hurt his knee in the last regular season game (against Houston), and didn't play in the famous rematch.

Imagine that a month ago this was a thread that was started. WHo would have imgagined that they would win the World Series?

[gales0678]

Baseball regular season starting to mirror other sports! The Best team usually doesn't win. I think the 1 week really hurt the Tigers

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well,having watched the Cards beat the Dodgers every single time they played this year,I knew they had more than they showed,and they answered the bell whenever the Reds,or Houston came up alongside them.All I knew about the postseason,is that I didn't want to play the Cards in the 1st round.I thought they would win that 1st round,and then lay down( as usual.)The thing that was different this year,is that they never(ever)had to face the pressure of being expected to do something,and that seemed to be the KEY for this group.To be honest,they enjoyed coming in under the radar.To win the World Series,you need 2 things:

1)make postseason

2)have enough pitching potential

Of the teams that made the post,the teams with the necessary pitching potential were the Padres(choked offensively,)the Tigers(what an up n' down bunch,)the Mets(actually they had a shot if they'd have bunt in the 9th inning of game 7,)the A's(now that's a choke folks,)and the Cards(the winners.)I believe the Yanks,Dodgers,and Twins never had enough starting pitching potential to win the World Series(yes,Hilda,you can win over 90 games in the regular season with mediocre starting pitching,but you can not win consistently in the post that way.)