Trump beats Hillary in new poll

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Could be Trump vs. Sanders

The transformation of the USA into a third world country is nearly complete.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by OldDog

The transformation of the USA into a third world country is nearly complete.

It is, but for different reasons. 19 trillion dollar debt, record level of voter ignorance, illegals overwhelming the system and taking our jobs (and probably voting), jobs being "outsourced" or "offshored" or whatever the next benign sounding term is, government takeover of healthcare which of course is failing... too many more to list.

[joeydb]

I think the media is asking the wrong question regarding the Democrats.

Instead of "Why is Bernie Sanders attracting such big crowds", they should be asking "Why is Hillary even being considered?"

Outside of a demographic "I am a woman" platform, what does she have to offer? Carpetbagged a Senate seat and was a disastrous Secretary of State. If she was a dude, we'd would not be discussing her at all. And we all know it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I think the media is asking the wrong question regarding the Democrats.

Instead of "Why is Bernie Sanders attracting such big crowds", they should be asking "Why is Hillary even being considered?"

Outside of a demographic "I am a woman" platform, what does she have to offer? Carpetbagged a Senate seat and was a disastrous Secretary of State. If she was a dude, we'd would not be discussing her at all. And we all know it.

yeah, she invented moving to a state to run for office.
seriously, there is plenty to complain about with her.
and no, we don't all know it.
if you took any former senator and sec of state, they would have more of a resume than people like carson or trump, or fiorina.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, she invented moving to a state to run for office.
seriously, there is plenty to complain about with her.
and no, we don't all know it.
if you took any former senator and sec of state, they would have more of a resume than people like carson or trump, or fiorina.

She did not invent carpetbagging, no. But she needed that tactic as she had no other experience at the time to go directly to a Senate seat instead of a House seat.

John Kerry should run again by that logic. He was both a Senator and is the current Secretary of State. Rewind back to 2004, if he was already Sec. of State instead of coming directly from Senate, does he win?

She definitely gets a bonus, deserved or not, off of her being female. What's interesting is that the excitement level is lacking and her polls are dropping in spite of that advantage. The longer she talks, the more people she repulses.

[joeydb]

God forbid if she does win (Heaven help us), it will be interesting to see if these words get used against her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what unbiased observer deduced that?

If you were unfamiliar with the candidates platforms, and saw nothing special about demographic backgrounds, and were covering the story as an unbiased reporter, you would observe that Trump for the Republicans and Sanders for the Democrats are generating the most excitement at this point by virtue of attendance at their rallies.

Trump's numbers might change a lot as other candidates drop out. Bernie is part of a small field, so in a way it is hard to fathom that he should vanish out of the field of 3, when he clearly is drawing more public support right now.

Now maybe it is the that the "silent majority" of Democrats prefer Hillary over Bernie, but then why is she not packing them in at her rallies, which are fewer than Bernie's?

If Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn't propping her up, she'd have dropped even further by now.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

She did not invent carpetbagging, no. But she needed that tactic as she had no other experience at the time to go directly to a Senate seat instead of a House seat.

John Kerry should run again by that logic. He was both a Senator and is the current Secretary of State. Rewind back to 2004, if he was already Sec. of State instead of coming directly from Senate, does he win?

She definitely gets a bonus, deserved or not, off of her being female. What's interesting is that the excitement level is lacking and her polls are dropping in spite of that advantage. The longer she talks, the more people she repulses.

amazing that we now consider being female a bonus. when did that happen? and did you know that many females won't necessarily vote for her just because she's a woman? and i know there are men who would NEVER vote for any woman.

she could have run in arkansas, or in illinois. they chose to make ny their home. no big deal.

and being sec of state used to be the big springboard to the presidency. it was the seat held by many who later became president. it wouldn't hurt to be so again, it's a good way to get foreign policy experience, which is absolutely necessary-especially in this day and age.
no way of knowing how that would have helped kerry.
but off the top of my head, jefferson had been sec of state, madison, monroe, jq adams...clay was, but his supposed corrupt bargain that jackson accused him of making with jq kept clay from gaining the wh.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

If you were unfamiliar with the candidates platforms, and saw nothing special about demographic backgrounds, and were covering the story as an unbiased reporter, you would observe that Trump for the Republicans and Sanders for the Democrats are generating the most excitement at this point by virtue of attendance at their rallies.

Trump's numbers might change a lot as other candidates drop out. Bernie is part of a small field, so in a way it is hard to fathom that he should vanish out of the field of 3, when he clearly is drawing more public support right now.

Now maybe it is the that the "silent majority" of Democrats prefer Hillary over Bernie, but then why is she not packing them in at her rallies, which are fewer than Bernie's?

If Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn't propping her up, she'd have dropped even further by now.

the fact that trump is leading speaks volumes about the republican party.
he is a disgrace.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the fact that trump is leading speaks volumes about the republican party.

You talk as if he only has support from Reps.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

You talk as if he only has support from Reps.

yeah, there are a few who aren't republican who support him.
but i'm not just talking about the voters...what about the party? what is wrong that from the top down, the person getting the most support isn't actually a republican? has given exactly ZERO details on any plan for anything at all? that the party leaders don't want him? that they couldn't find a good candidate to face off against him? that he is in control?
it is truly bizarre.

[OldDog]

He has roughly 30% of Reps supporting him, and new polls suggest 20% of Dems.

BTW, Bernie's not a Dem.

[OldDog]

The parties are in such bad shape and so distrusted that their preferred candidates are being sucker punched by outsiders. I could dig that, but as bad a candidate as Hill is, a Sanders or Trump presidency will only help the downward slide pick up a good head of steam.

[joeydb]

Likable enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY9OXmjN9nE

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

He has roughly 30% of Reps supporting him, and new polls suggest 20% of Dems.

BTW, Bernie's not a Dem.

no, he isn't.
but everyone knows you can't run as an I and have a shot in hell at the presidency.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, there are a few who aren't republican who support him.
but i'm not just talking about the voters...what about the party? what is wrong that from the top down, the person getting the most support isn't actually a republican? has given exactly ZERO details on any plan for anything at all? that the party leaders don't want him? that they couldn't find a good candidate to face off against him? that he is in control?
it is truly bizarre.

Originally Posted by OldDog

He has roughly 30% of Reps supporting him, and new polls suggest 20% of Dems.

BTW, Bernie's not a Dem.

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, he isn't.
but everyone knows you can't run as an I and have a shot in hell at the presidency.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

the system is so damn screwy
and i mentioned trump not being a rep, because apparently many considered him a dem, not an independent.

[Danzig]

Am reading a book...and this jumped out at me...

A new England clergyman wrote 'I have never heard bad tidings on anything which gave me such a shock'.
The book is about our third President, and the news he wrote of was hearing Jefferson had won the Presidency.
I have always thought, and I hope I always will think that our country is too great and the people overall too good to let one man ruin us. Or woman.
That guy who survived a civil war certainly survived Th. Jefferson!

[saratogadew]

Come on people. Didn't you hear. Trump is going to "Make America Great Again". We all want that! Right?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by saratogadew

Come on people. Didn't you hear. Trump is going to "Make America Great Again". We all want that! Right?

And that's a realistic goal. All he has to do, is undo the damage done by the clown who currently holds the office.