If you could add one more BC race.....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I would probably add a weiner dog race. Like they have at Los al.

BC has all the bases covered.

The Bid is my new favorite person. I am currently scouting the next weiner dog winner.

They should have a turf sprint, now that 5f on the lawn has become a staple in alot of condition books.....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

There is already an option for these horses...the Cigar Mile. A dirt mile would kill the Cigar Mile. The BC has already screwed up the importance of most of the old traditional races. A BC dirt mile would leave Aqueduct with only one G 1, the Wood, for their entire 6 month season.

The BC is the BC... let me guess, you'd rather not have it at all, right?

[Hwjb]

It has to be a Breeders' Cup Stayers event over a distance between 2m and 2 and a half miles. Preferably the latter as 2m would probably be too similar to the BCT.

Stayers are woefully uncatered for in the US, no wonder the breeding industry is increasingly demanding speed, speed, speed. And, it would at least be one race Europe would win every year!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

It has to be a Breeders' Cup Stayers event over a distance between 2m and 2 and a half miles. Preferably the latter as 2m would probably be too similar to the BCT.

Stayers are woefully uncatered for in the US, no wonder the breeding industry is increasingly demanding speed, speed, speed. And, it would at least be one race Europe would win every year!

LOL! I couldn't agree more. They breed for speed and I believe it's hurting the breed in the long run. It'd be a fantastic idea for American breeders to buy up the European mares bred to go long in order to add some distance capability in our stock.

[philcski]

I'd vote for a F&M sprint, maybe I'm biased because Xtra Heat was one of my all time favorites but there's a very good group of F&M sprinters every year who are just a few steps behind the boys that also deserve to be called a BC Champion.

And to answer the person who said should more than 3 races be restricted to F&M's? I think the answer is a resounding Yes- the best comparison i can give in the human competitive world is Olympic skiing, there is an OCCASIONAL female skier as fast as the men but generally they're a few tenths of a second slower at the comparative level. The same thing applies in racing- at each class, the boys are 5-6 lengths faster on average than the fillies. It really isn't fair to the fairer sex to make up that physiologic differential.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The BC is the BC... let me guess, you'd rather not have it at all, right?

I love the BC, but I don't like what it has done to races that no longer hold the same clout they did prior to the BC's advent in '84. Other than the TC, horse racing is now geared to one day.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

I love the BC, but I don't like what it has done to races that no longer hold the same clout they did prior to the BC's advent in '84. Other than the TC, horse racing is now geared to one day.

I agree with you on this, but it is what it is, unfortunately.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

It has to be a Breeders' Cup Stayers event over a distance between 2m and 2 and a half miles. Preferably the latter as 2m would probably be too similar to the BCT.

Stayers are woefully uncatered for in the US, no wonder the breeding industry is increasingly demanding speed, speed, speed. And, it would at least be one race Europe would win every year!

You answered your own question. No American horses would end up in that race.

[Hwjb]

Hold a stayers event on the dirt and some decent American slow boats would run in it. I'm thinking of horses in the mould of Dynever.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

Hold a stayers event on the dirt and some decent American slow boats would run in it. I'm thinking of horses in the mould of Dynever.

Andromeda's Hero comes to mind, I still think he would have beat AA if the Belmont was 2 miles...LOL

[Bernardini]

A four horse match race, there I said it, yes a final race on the card top two horses from Europe and US square off !!! 1 1/2 Mile $4 million purse.

let’s see Bernardini, Lava Man, George Washington, and David Junior ??

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bernardini

A four horse match race, there I said it, yes a final race on the card top two horses from Europe and US square off !!! 1 1/2 Mile $4 million purse.

let’s see Bernardini, Lava Man, George Washington, and David Junior ??

On dirt or turf? LOL

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Brian, by the same token IF Suave were to win the Classic, at least he would be beating talented horses - Dini, Drift, Lava, Invasor, etc, same with Kelly's over Henny, War Front, Bordonaro, etc.

Lets say Dubai Escapade were to become a F&M Sprint Champion. What great competition would she face in that race outside of Malibu Mint, and I really use the term 'great' loosely when applying it to Malibu. There just arent enough good F&M Sprinters, or turf sprinters, to merit running a 1000k race for them. It would be just like watching a rerun of the same cast that ran in the Princess Rooney. One of the greatest things about the BC IMO is that it brings together horses who have been battling in Grade 1's across the country and sometimes internationally and who havent beating up on one another over and over. A F&M Turf Division just isnt deep enough to have quality horses who havent faced one another several times previously.

that's a fair assessment in most regards -- but it really does place a premium on competition. so if we have a really weak handicap division one year, should the winner not be a BC champ because they aren't beating anything?

does this year's BCJF winner deserve to be a BC champ? it's sure as hell shaping up as a big "NO." If you suggest that we need depth to create merit for a BC champ, then we should by all means deny the winners of the depth-less races the title of BC champ.

sound problematic? sure should.

i get what you're saying -- though both arguments have holes in them that are impossible to plug up reasonably. cunningham racing brings it up too -- why shouldn't xtra heat, madcap escapade, etc etc been BC champions? i would argue that they deserve it -- like i would argue that dubai escapade or malibu mint deserve it -- the former has won some races brilliantly, and the latter has shown up at all the dances and done a pretty darn great job in them, winning some when she wasn't supposed to and losing some when compromised.

[Bernardini]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

On dirt or turf? LOL

half dirt, half turf ... lol

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bernardini

half dirt, half turf ... lol

Now that would be interesting!!!

mos def a turf sprint
or a f & m sprint

[repent]

gee,
why dont we just card a BC race to fit each and every horse's best abilities.

I notice Siren Lure is better at 7f, as opposed to 6f.
so lets just have the TVG BC Sprint at 6f, and the Aldeberan BC Sprint at 7f.
same for Showing Up.
hed rather run 9f than a flat mile.
so run the BC Mile at 8f and the Beat Hollow BC race at 9f.

this is ridiculous.

we dont need a BC Sprint race for fillies.
if they are good enough, they will beat the boys.
hell, they have done it plently of times in the past in the BC Sprint.

and forget about a BC Mile race, unless you are going to lengthen the BC Distaff to 10f.
if you are a 1 turn dirt horse, then there is the BC Sprint.
if you are a 2 turn dirt horse, then there is the BC Classic.

this is just stupid.
part of being a CHAMPION(and thats what we consider BC winners to be) is winning no matter what the circumstances.

carding BC races to meet each and every horse's needs is just stupid.



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