BCS Nat Title game Scenarios

[pmayjr]

Oracle,
I know there's precedence for a rematch because of the whole Florida-FSU rematch a few years ago. But i still don't agree with it.

Go Florida, or go USC. They at this point should get the shot. I still think Michigan is the best team not named Ohio State, but it totally devalues game 1 if you play game 2 and Michigan wins.

what did I watch a diff. game than everyone else?

How many times did Michigan actually stop OSU? ONe flippin time the whole game, ONE FLIPPIN PUNT. OSU layed the ball on the ground for Mich. two times with lousy snaps for short TD's. No way I want to see that again.

Michigan had their chance. Next please. Its done.

Pgardn stick to hoops buddy.
I don't know what game you were watching but Michigan scored at will in the 2nd half and lost a 3 point game in the other teams stadium(if you don't understand the importance of this I can't help you).
Road to the rematch is secure General Sir!!!
Geek on tv said when the new poll comes out the Michigans lead over USC and the others in the two spot will be almost as large as it was.
I'm an ND fan, but i want whats fair and right, and whats fair and right is the rematch.
Pmayjr I have no idea whatsoever why the "validity" of game one matters.
It didnt matter when the Gators came back and crished FSU at a neutral site afetr FSU narrowly beat them in FSU.
The best two teams should play, and the best two teams are OSU and Michigan.
Michigan will win the rematch. Mark that down.

[pmayjr]

Oracle-
I'm done arguing lol. I like your signature. He was freaknasty.

P.S.- Both you and Pgardn have me faded when it comes to talkin horses, but Pgardn is on crack in this subject and I still don't agree with you on it Oracle. But I'm gonna leave it at that... Because none of us are backing down. Go back to the first post in this thread, my opinions don't change from that.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Michigan stays at #2 in the BCS standings by .007 pts. That being said if Notre Dame goes to LA next week and beats USC, especially if they have a convincing win against USC, the tide will break for Notre Dame in the title game, just because it's Notre Dame.

As unfair as that may be, especially since Michigan took a steaming dump all over ND at South Bend, thats how I see it.

If USC wins and then beats UCLA, I would imagine it's their spot to lose.

Winner of the SEC Championship game has an outside shot, seeing as the SEC should be regarded as the toughest conference in the country. However, Arkansas lost to USC, so if USC goes 2-0 and Arkansas wins the SEC, edge: USC. But if Florida wins, who knows?

Here are the likely match ups:

OSU-USC
OSU-ND
OSU-Arkansas
OSU-Floride
OSU-Michigan

I think the match up of Michigan-Ohio State, although rendering the game yesterday meaningless, is the right match up. They are the best teams in the nation and that's the stated "goal" of the BCS. The schools wanted this and now they can sift through the sh*t of it. A Michigan win would just totally eff things up, but tough cookies. The BCS is what the schools wanted and if it cost them a true champion THEN MAYBE THEY WILL BE CONVINCED TO CHANGE IT.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Michigan stays at #2 in the BCS standings by .007 pts. That being said if Notre Dame goes to LA next week and beats USC, especially if they have a convincing win against USC, the tide will break for Notre Dame in the title game, just because it's Notre Dame.

As unfair as that may be, especially since Michigan took a steaming dump all over ND at South Bend, thats how I see it.

If USC wins and then beats UCLA, I would imagine it's their spot to lose.

Winner of the SEC Championship game has an outside shot, seeing as the SEC should be regarded as the toughest conference in the country. However, Arkansas lost to USC, so if USC goes 2-0 and Arkansas wins the SEC, edge: USC. But if Florida wins, who knows?

Here are the likely match ups:

OSU-USC
OSU-ND
OSU-Arkansas
OSU-Floride
OSU-Michigan

I think the match up of Michigan-Ohio State, although rendering the game yesterday meaningless, is the right match up. They are the best teams in the nation and that's the stated "goal" of the BCS. The schools wanted this and now they can sift through the sh*t of it. A Michigan win would just totally eff things up, but tough cookies. The BCS is what the schools wanted and if it cost them a true champion THEN MAYBE THEY WILL BE CONVINCED TO CHANGE IT.

I can only go by the Colley Matrix since that allows you to add/remove games but it looks like if USC wins out they will move up to 1 or 2 in the computer rankings which will guarantee them a spot. It will be very close for Florida to get ahead of Michigan in the computer polls if they win out so they will almost certainly need to leapfrog Michigan in the human polls which seems unlikely. Notre Dame and Arkansas have absolutely no shot unless they leapfrog Michigan and even then they would have to be significantly ahead of Michigan in votes received which is extremely unlikely. So basically is it Ohio St - Michigan or Ohio St - USC with a slight possibility of Ohio St - Florida.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Looks like we are on the road to a rematch. Michigan is #2 in the Harris Poll and #3 in the Coaches poll. They should stay #2 in the computers which means we are looking at Michigan - OSU in the championship unless some voters change their minds in the next couple weeks.

bcs isn't up to voters, but to a computer. there won't be a split title, the usc claim of part of the title a couple years ago is pure B.S. lsu won it, and share it with no one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can only go by the Colley Matrix since that allows you to add/remove games but it looks like if USC wins out they will move up to 1 or 2 in the computer rankings which will guarantee them a spot. It will be very close for Florida to get ahead of Michigan in the computer polls if they win out so they will almost certainly need to leapfrog Michigan in the human polls which seems unlikely. Notre Dame and Arkansas have absolutely no shot unless they leapfrog Michigan and even then they would have to be significantly ahead of Michigan in votes received which is extremely unlikely. So basically is it Ohio St - Michigan or Ohio St - USC with a slight possibility of Ohio St - Florida.

i also don't see florida moving ahead. it would take a miracle for them to get into the title game, same as arkansas....of course the stinking razorbacks have had a miracle year anyway. hopefully lsu will reach up and pull out the horseshoe that nutt shoved up his bum early in the season.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

USC wins OUT.

BEATS OSU in the "BIG ONE" (and I cash my NC future).

They are preparing the armored car as I type. Gonna need a big one this time.

Also have a SB future on the BOYS (little shaky on that one).

Dixie I have watched both teams play and if USC gets to play OSU they will get beat like a drum, I'm talking blowout city. USC is a joke, they have struggled to beat those dreadful Pac teams and it was all they could do to finally put away Cal at home.
I mean please, look at who they lost to!!!!
I think Notre Dame is going to spoil their party anyway. USC does not have a high powered offense and they have trouble with teams who can score. Notre Dame should run wild on them.
If someone wants to claim Florida played an overall tougher schedule than anyone did, and that their only loss was at Auburn to a respectable team, well I guess I can see the argument there. But USC, Notre Dame, Arkansas all have no business whatsoever even being spoken about in terms of playing the Title game. Sickening.
There's a reason Vegas adds 3-4 points to the team at home in these games. You have to face a hostile crowd that makes it difficult on the offense of the visitor(false starts, can't hear audibles at the line) and home team always gets more calls from the refs. Michigan lost by three in an incredibly hostile atmosphere to the number one team, and is without a doubt one of the best two teams in the country.
This is a completely broken system because if you lose late in the season you get penalized more than a team who loses early. USC gotbeat by an inferior non ranked team, and ND got embarassed at home by Mich and Ark got killed at home as well.
ND beating USC is the key to justice being served.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

tha razor backs take aout lsu then the gators...no doubt..

my playoff format:

1) Ohio State vs. 16) Va. Tech
8) U of L vs. 9) LSU

4) Florida vs. 13) Rutgers
5) Notre Dame vs. 12) Texas

2) Michigan vs. 15) Ga. Tech
7) West Virginia vs. 10) Boise State

3) USC vs. 14) Oklahoma
6) Arkansas vs. 11) Wisconsin

subject to change due to loss
3 teams per conference tops
take out the 12th game & conference championship game
as it is in that format a team would play 14
in this format a team would play 15 tops
with only two teams playing in the 1 extra game
why can't it work?

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

tha razor backs take aout lsu then the gators...no doubt..

Dude I hope so. If that happens and ND beats USC, the best two teams will meet in a great game, a rematch of another great game.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Dude I hope so. If that happens and ND beats USC, the best two teams will meet in a great game, a rematch of another great game.

i have no doubt nd wins and that the backs get it done..

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i have no doubt nd wins and that the backs get it done..

Hooves I watch college football pretty good. Not like I watch racing, but I follow it.
Can you tell me what people see in USC that I ain't seeing? Because man I really don't get it.
I see a team who plays bad teams week in and week out and who struggles offensively when faced with any kind of Defense.
Will tell you this, I don't bet sports, but if USC faces Ohio St in the big game this guy is opening up an online sports betting account and sending it all in on OSU. I've seen both teams play and OSU would beat them like a red headed stepchild. I'm talking 20-30 point blowout.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i dont play claim to be an expert..but..the way the razorbacks play its a easy money deal//they spanked a/u and will beat the gators too..nd is going to beat up on usc..imo

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

bcs isn't up to voters, but to a computer. there won't be a split title, the usc claim of part of the title a couple years ago is pure B.S. lsu won it, and share it with no one.

The computer effect on the BCS is now negligible. The computer rankings only account for 1/3 of the BCS ranking. The other 2/3rds are from the human polls. The only way the computer rankings factor in is if two teams are extremely close in the voting in the human polls. If one team is significantly #2 in both polls they will only be passed in the BCS if their computer ranking is 4th or worse.

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i have no doubt nd wins and that the backs get it done..

I'm not sure there's a team in the country, Ohio St included, that can beat LSU and Florida back-to-back, Arky loses 1 if not both
SC plays a lot of young guys who are starting to blossom
these are some of best blue-chip prospects mind you, like CJ Gable
it won't be easy for ND in The Coleseum

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

I'm not sure there's a team in the country, Ohio St included, that can beat LSU and Florida back-to-back, Arky loses 1 if not both
SC plays a lot of young guys who are starting to blossom
these are some of best blue-chip prospects mind you, like CJ Gable
it won't be easy for ND in The Coleseum

Ohio St would clobber either team if they had to play one team at noon and the other at 8 PM.
LSU struggled against Bama and Miss. Dude Ohio St and Michigan both would beat those teams by many many points.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ohio St would clobber either team if they had to play one team at noon and the other at 8 PM.
LSU struggled against Bama and Miss. Dude Ohio St and Michigan both would beat those teams by many many points.

LOL, you're out of your mind
LSU and UF play some of the best defense in the nation
we'll never know if they (OSU) can do it
just know that Arkansas can't

[gales0678]

Mike,

First don't eliminate teams becuase they lose a game at home during the regular season (LSU lost to Gators at home in '04 and came back and co-shares the title with USC)

Next - I agree the "best two teams should play in the title game"

USC lost to Oregeon St not exactly Ohio St - I can't see how any computer or human could put them in that game over Mich.

ND - Blowout loss to MICH at home - The voters will never put them ahead of ND in the polls and that is 2/3 rd's BCS

Arkansas need ND to beat USC to have any chance. (arkansas only loss they were not 100% in the opener against USC)

Florida - if it beats FSU and beats Ark in the SEC is the only other team besides Mich that should get to play Ohio St