When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Everyone here has an opinion. As to Zimmerman's guilt or innocence as charged, I for one would like to hear the facts as they are presented in a trial, before I give mine.

Facts, Shmacts.

Riot says he's guilty and we all know that she's never wrong, so let's just skip the court case and just fry the bastard......................

[Riot]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Everyone here has an opinion. As to Zimmerman's guilt or innocence as charged, I for one would like to hear the facts as they are presented in a trial, before I give mine.

My statement didn't go to Zimmerman's trial results (technical guilt or innocence), but the obvious fact that if Zimmerman had not been carrying a loaded gun, and paid attention to Martin, Martin would not be dead.

Zimmerman wasn't even on "neighborhood watch", he was on his way to Target. His mere presence and loaded gun started the events of the night that ended with Martin's death.

I don't know, and am in no hurry to see the riots which (in my opinion) will ensue when the verdict is announced, no matter what the verdict might be.

I think the family has dampened that down alot. Most people simply wanted a trial, including the family. There will always be those anarchists and violence-junkies that will use any excuse to riot.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Facts, Shmacts.

Riot says he's guilty and we all know that she's never wrong, so let's just skip the court case and just fry the bastard......................

No. I have not said he's guilty. I've said IMO the evidence was overwhelming that he needed to be charged, and that once he was arrested and charged, I have said I was happy to let the court system decide that.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Facts, Shmacts.

Riot says he's guilty and we all know that she's never wrong, so let's just skip the court case and just fry the bastard......................

Either the prosecution has evidence of which we yet have no knowledge, or they screwed up by not going for manslaughter instead of murder, which is why I'm waiting for the facts as presented in a trial.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Either the prosecution has evidence of which we yet have no knowledge, or they screwed up by not going for manslaughter instead of murder, which is why I'm waiting for the facts as presented in a trial.

I've notice that you've already decided that Zimmerman is not possibly guilty of second-degree murder - pending other evidence you may not have. Right?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I have not said he's guilty. I've said IMO the evidence was overwhelming that he needed to be charged, and that once he was arrested and charged, I have said I was happy to let the court system decide that.

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not effing against the law to be walking while black. It's not against the law to walk down a grass path between houses. Wearing a hoodie and being black doesn't make you "acting suspicious" or "on drugs" or "hand in his waistband, I don't know what his deal is".

There was NOTHING the kid did to cause Zimmerman to "follow him" other than his color and daring to exist. What the hell was Zimmerman "chasing"?

Then Zimmerman killed an innocent kid. He was a predator. He pursued the kid. Video of Zimmerman at the police station shows no dirt on his clothes, no grass stains, no blood stains, no injuries. He's a ****ing liar, and he needs to be brought to justice. You want history? Zimmerman following and harassing other people who live in that subdivision. Zimmerman carrying a gun. Zimmerman calling police over 40 times for "stuff". Zimmerman fired from a security job for his temper. Zimmerman with RO from ex fiance. He looks like a regular dangerous, stupid police wannabe and his ego and sheer stupidity killed a 17-year-old kid.

I'm sorry, I'm probably wrong. After reading this again, it sounds like you are still on the fence about him being guilty.....................

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Riot

My statement didn't go to Zimmerman's trial results (technical guilt or innocence), but the obvious fact that if Zimmerman had not been carrying a loaded gun, and paid attention to Martin, Martin would not be dead.

Zimmerman wasn't even on "neighborhood watch", he was on his way to Target. His mere presence and loaded gun started the events of the night that ended with Martin's death.

Sorry I misunderstood your post, then. I too thought that you were pronouncing Zimmerman guilty.

Yes, Zimmerman was carrying a gun, and it is accepted that he followed Martin. So far, nothing illegal done there. The questions - and I'm wondering what evidence will be presented to answer them - are who initiated physical contact, how it escalated, and also whether Zimmerman attempted to withdraw from contact once it began. In reading opinions on Florida law, it seems that Zimmerman could have a good case for self-defense even if he initially provoked the confrontation. But then, as I said, I'm giving this opinion without benefit of all the facts.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry, I'm probably wrong. After reading this again, it sounds like you are still on the fence about him being guilty.....................

I laughed.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry, I'm probably wrong. After reading this again, it sounds like you are still on the fence about him being guilty.....................

Wow, I guess I should have gone back and read all 23 pages of posts here.

I can't believe you guys don't remember everything Dr. Doonothing says. Get to searching before you question her.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry, I'm probably wrong. After reading this again, it sounds like you are still on the fence about him being guilty.....................

Yes, he's guilty - as he's admitted of - of being there, of having the gun, of shooting Trayvon Martin. That's exactly why he needed to be arrested and tried.

And now he is. As I've said, I'll let the court system decided to what degree he is punished, or let off for killing Trayvon. Yes, I think the penalty should be severe, and yes, I'l let the court system decide now.

You're confusing my statements on his guilt that should have lead to an arrest, (yes, he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin and should be arrested), with the guilty or innocent verdict coming from his trial.

Yes, I think he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin, he's admitted he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin, Trayvon wouldn't be dead if Zimmerman had not been carrying a loaded gun and thought himself a vigilante, and yes, I'll let the court decide if it's 2nd or manslaughter, or nothing (justified).

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I am a radical anarchist.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, he's guilty - as he's admitted of - of being there, of having the gun, of shooting Trayvon Martin. That's exactly why he needed to be arrested and tried.

And now he is. As I've said, I'll let the court system decided to what degree he is punished, or let off for killing Trayvon. Yes, I think the penalty should be severe, and yes, I'l let the court system decide now.

You're confusing my statements on his guilt that should have lead to an arrest, (yes, he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin and should be arrested), with the guilty or innocent verdict coming from his trial.

Yes, I think he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin, he's admitted he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin, Trayvon wouldn't be dead if Zimmerman had not been carrying a loaded gun and thought himself a vigilante, and yes, I'll let the court decide if it's 2nd or manslaughter, or nothing (justified).

You are incredible. You have no idea what you are talking about, have clearly expressed his guilt despite the lack of credible evidence, and would have hanged this guy despite the actual evidence.

There is no bigger hypocrite on this board then you. It is clear to everyone on this board outside of your lackys bigrun and somerwhatever that you have zero credibility.

Here is an interesting take on media's irresponsibility in this matter which you will immediately dismiss due to the source. The funny thing about it is that the media organizations that you love are the ones that have intentionally tried to distort the facts of this case.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...d-media-didnt/

[pointman]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry, I'm probably wrong. After reading this again, it sounds like you are still on the fence about him being guilty.....................

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You are incredible. You have no idea what you are talking about, have clearly expressed his guilt despite the lack of credible evidence, and would have hanged this guy despite the actual evidence.

Geeshus effing cripes, get a grip on reality, you rude and angry idiot. That post is from before Trayvon was arrested. You already screamed at me for daring to have that opinion - that Trayvon should be arrested - weeks ago.

And no, I would not have killed Zimmerman without evidence. What an exaggerating, foolish loon you are. Get over it. All people don't agree with you.

Are you too stupid to effing read the thread and follow along with the posts of today?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geeshus effing cripes, get a grip on reality, you rude and angry idiot. That post is from before Trayvon was arrested. You already screamed at me for daring to have that opinion weeks ago.

You are a fool. You lack so much credibility that you turn people in the opposite direction even on issues I agree with you on. People are tired of your ridiculous long winded foolish rants.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You are a fool. You lack so much credibility that you turn people in the opposite direction even on issues I agree with you on. People are tired of your ridiculous long winded foolish rants.

And you're a di.ckhead. You are a bloviating moron that is too stupid to pay attention before he indulges in a self-rightous rant against another poster, and then refuses to even apologize when caught being a fool.

There - isn't it great to call names! Just what is needed here! More personal attacks! Good job, Pointman!

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you're a di.ckhead. You are a bloviating moron that is too stupid to pay attention before he indulges in a self-rightous rant against another poster, and then refuses to even apologize when caught being a fool.

There - isn't it great to call names! Just what is needed here! More personal attacks! Good job, Pointman!

Apologize to you for pointing out the truth that you are a huge hypocrite? That is really funny.

Do the sport a favor and take a position against Lasix so it will not get banned.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Apologize to you for pointing out the truth that you are a huge hypocrite? That is really funny.

No. I mean apologizing that your ranting out-of-nowhere personal attack was based on you being stupid: not paying attention, not reading today's thread, and conflated posts from the past with statements of today.

It's not my fault that you just came out of nowhere as a rude dick. You did that all on your own.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I mean apologizing that your ranting out-of-nowhere personal attack was based on you being stupid: not paying attention, not reading today's thread, and conflated posts from the past with statements of today.

It's not my fault that you just came out of nowhere as a rude dick. You did that all on your own.

You truly live in your own world.