2013-2014 NBA Season

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chris Paul is more of a leader, but he also has won nothing yet.
He's also not a team wrecker.

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He might end up being that, like I said a poor mans. I prefer winners. And if guys I like, example being Harden never win anything Ill say the same thing about him. I dont get that kill a team, selfish vibe from Big Game James though.
He will never win anything though. I dont care if he gets hooked w/ Paul, Love, Rondo. His only hope would be somehow playing w/ Lebron. And Lebron would never EVER PLAY W/ MELO.

Big Game James? Say what? Dude came up super small in the Finals. I hear, from his OKC days, it is more "never miss a party" James.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bash a man with 7 rings but defend Melo? I respect you way to much to have such a bad opinion on this. You're a fan of Melo so your biased. I get it, I was a fan until I saw the light.

Check out some of the guys that got rings with the Bulls. Big deal.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

I agree. He is kinda like Melo in that sense that they are both anointed as superstars. Both have had chances to win, neither have. Why when its Lebron and he was winning 60 games in Clevland and getting blasted by much better Spurs teams he was coming up small and could not win??? He still brought that horrible collection of talent to the finals. **** his Robin was Larry Hughes. Melo and Paul have never even made a finals.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Check out some of the guys that got rings with the Bulls. Big deal.

Of course, but he has 7.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Big Game James? Say what? Dude came up super small in the Finals. I hear, from his OKC days, it is more "never miss a party" James.

Listen I can admit it... Im a Harden fan. We all have guys we like. Clearly Chuck is a Melo fan. Harden is much younger though and in a better situation. If you asked GM's who was more likely to win a Championship Melo or Harden the answer has to be Harden.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly what big games of note does James Harden have? I remember the one chance he had in the Finals he played poorly. 16-48 from the field in the series against Miami.

He had an excellent series against SA in the Western Conference Finals the same year - 49% shooting, 18.5 PPG. Hell, his numbers for those playoffs altogether were strong - 44% FG, 41% 3PG and 16.3 PPG.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

Chris Paul

I suggested this to a big CP fan friend of mine and was basically yelled at.
He's fantastic and all that, but is he the one to lead a team to the title?
I am beginning to seriously doubt it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bash a man with 7 rings but defend Melo? I respect you way to much to have such a bad opinion on this. You're a fan of Melo so your biased. I get it, I was a fan until I saw the light.

I am hardly the worlds biggest Carmelo Anthony fan but this is more ridiculous than usual. So Robert Horry who basically was a bench player that hit a few clutch shots while playing cheap for good teams is a player to be respected but Carmelo Anthony who averages 25 points and 7 rebounds for his career, has never missed the playoffs in 10 NBA years, has been on 2 Olympic Gold medal teams and was MOP of the Final 4 while leading his team to an NCAA championship is a bum?

The irony here is rich considering that Anthony may be playing as well right now as he has ever played. But with a supporting cast like Kenyon Martin, Beno Udrich and Ray Felton who wouldnt play well?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

Byron Scott has proved to be a very ordinary NBA coach who got plenty of time in New Orleans. Monty Williams is still there. Del Negro made far fewer questionable decisions the one year that Paul was his PG.

Who would you rather have Rivers or Del Negro?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Byron Scott has proved to be a very ordinary NBA coach who got plenty of time in New Orleans. Monty Williams is still there. Del Negro made far fewer questionable decisions the one year that Paul was his PG.

Who would you rather have Rivers or Del Negro?

Honestly, I don't know. Rivers won with three great players in their prime. Does that make him a great coach? Again, I don't know. For the most part players make coaches. Are the Clippers any better this year than last? Doesn't look that way to me, but that could change come April/May.

Beside the point though. Paul used his influence and the threat of leaving to get Del Negro fired, that is all I was saying.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree. He is kinda like Melo in that sense that they are both anointed as superstars. Both have had chances to win, neither have. Why when its Lebron and he was winning 60 games in Clevland and getting blasted by much better Spurs teams he was coming up small and could not win??? He still brought that horrible collection of talent to the finals. **** his Robin was Larry Hughes. Melo and Paul have never even made a finals.

Is LeBron the new standard that everyone must measure up to not the exception? To be fair the year that LeBron's team made the finals in Cleveland the East was very weak. Plus how can you singlehandedly take a team to the Finals and still "come up small"?

Melo has ALWAYS WON! He has never played on a team with a losing record ever! Winning the championship is an idiotic way of measuring individual players. Please show me a single team that Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul was on that had a prayer of winning the title?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Of course, but he has 7.

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Of course, but he has 7.

Steve Kerr has 5. Is he better than Chris Paul?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Honestly, I don't know. Rivers won with three great players in their prime. Does that make him a great coach? Again, I don't know. For the most part players make coaches. Are the Clippers any better this year than last? Doesn't look that way to me, but that could change come April/May.

Beside the point though. Paul used his influence and the threat of leaving to get Del Negro fired, that is all I was saying.

Rivers is also overrated as a coach. He had 3 superstars. I always hear people calling him the best coach in the NBA. Is he better then Pop? Jeff Van Gundy was a better coach then Doc IMO.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

I think everyone would pretty much agree with this, except maybe Skip Bayless and his lot.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Steve Kerr has 5. Is he better than Chris Paul?

No.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

But I never called him great. I said he was an OK defender, OK rebounder and super clutch.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He had an excellent series against SA in the Western Conference Finals the same year - 49% shooting, 18.5 PPG. Hell, his numbers for those playoffs altogether were strong - 44% FG, 41% 3PG and 16.3 PPG.

According to PG1985 only the Finals and championships count. He was one of the chief reasons that OKC floundered in the Finals. His games 3 and 4 were awful.

Interestingly during the playoffs that year his best games were all in losses.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is LeBron the new standard that everyone must measure up to not the exception? To be fair the year that LeBron's team made the finals in Cleveland the East was very weak. Plus how can you singlehandedly take a team to the Finals and still "come up small"?

Melo has ALWAYS WON! He has never played on a team with a losing record ever! Winning the championship is an idiotic way of measuring individual players. Please show me a single team that Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul was on that had a prayer of winning the title?

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.