My plays for tommorw....

I don't discriminate by age. If you're a moron it doesn't matter if you're 10 or 85.

[Grits]

I agree with what you are saying. By definition the two are one in the same. And it doesn't matter whether all of your dollars are being co-mingled everyday with the NYSE or through the wagering pools of your favorite racetrack. It is all gambling.

Some are better risk takers than others, though in living each day, one has to know when to use speed, and when to apply the brakes.

If you have no ability to slow and apply the brakes, you'll live your entire life from hand to mouth, trying to keep something in the account, hoping you end each month--with more money than month.

Many do not, they spend most of their time one step ahead of their creditors, never able to achieve beyond their addiction. There has to be a degree of moderation in any endeavor where gambling is key. It's hard to accept, but I believe it true.

Originally Posted by -BT-

IMO "CALCULATED RISKS" and gambling are the same thing, your still partipating in a game/pool of chance happenings. You can't be a Calculated risk taker and not be a "gambler",
-bt-

[Antitrust32]

by definition the two are the same. but they are not the same. people who truely understand the calculated risks, the percentages and how to correctly use all the information make a living in the pari-mutuel game. i am def not one of those people. but I just use betting as a form of entertainment when I am at the track. there are very few people that do it right. and I'm not talking about people who just come out ahead for the year or make a 10,000 profit for the year. I am talking about people who make a substantial living through wagering on horses. there is a difference between those few individuals and people who just gamble.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I am 24 years old, been involved with the sport since I was 12, worked for various trainers, racing organizations, and make my living now in the horse racing biz. I also went to college and graduated with a degree in the horse racing biz from the U of A. My mentor also has bred many champion horses and has held very high positions in the industry and he tries to teach me as much as he can about the game. I believe I very much understand the horse biz (including the breeding), its just that betting isnt my thing... I make money off the people who bet.

Please dont tell me you have to be a certain age to understand horse racing.

Also, Nobody who gambles makes money. period. doesnt matter if you are 24 44 or 84. A few people who make intelligent CALCULATED risks (Crist, etc.)make a living betting horses. That is different than gambling.

a) most degrees in ANYTHING are worth just about the cost of toilet paper
b) The difference between you and PG1985 is how you represent yourself
c) ALOT more people make money gambling then you realize, the people that say this just don't educate themselves to understand the element, matter of fact, most of them are just intimidated by it and you the statement "You can't make money at this" as a barrier
d) I can go on forever picking this post apart about what you know about the game, but let me some it up in this, 12 years around horses, about 6-7 of them you actually had a clue about life in general, EXPERIENCE is the only way to learn in this game
e) You are defending someone for no absolute reason. The guy is a clown and went from attacking people to having normal conversations to attacking people to knowing it all. It actually has the feeling that it is Blockhead/Secretariat (who knows after the Server crashed if Byk still has him blocked).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

a) most degrees in ANYTHING are worth just about the cost of toilet paper

true.. but I can write a condition book


b) The difference between you and PG1985 is how you represent yourself

there are more differences than that...

c) ALOT more people make money gambling then you realize, the people that say this just don't educate themselves to understand the element, matter of fact, most of them are just intimidated by it and you the statement "You can't make money at this" as a barrier

dont agree.. but i was not referring to making 100 bucks at the track.. see my last post

d) I can go on forever picking this post apart about what you know about the game, but let me some it up in this, 12 years around horses, about 6-7 of them you actually had a clue about life in general, EXPERIENCE is the only way to learn in this game

you give me too much credit

on a more serious note, i see what you old folk mean about experience... but being young and rebellious i just cant stand when people think the younger generation doesnt know anything because they havent been there for long

e) You are defending someone for no absolute reason. The guy is a clown and went from attacking people to having normal conversations to attacking people to knowing it all. It actually has the feeling that it is Blockhead/Secretariat (who knows after the Server crashed if Byk still has him blocked).

i disagree and dont believe he is blockhead/seretariat. I wish I could hang out with him for a day at the OTB to prove to ya'll

f) must go to sleep... long day of driving to ocala and then to cajuns house awaits

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i disagree and dont believe he is blockhead/seretariat. I wish I could hang out with him for a day at the OTB to prove to ya'll

f) must go to sleep... long day of driving to ocala and then to cajuns house awaits

Guess I better start cleaning. Haha

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I assume you are kidding about the old folk stuff, but it has been brought up here a few times recently. Like I said I'm 27. I'm pretty sure Scavs is around the same age. Hardly old, but not 21 anymore. I am sure when I was 21 I was a lot different than I am now. No one is saying he or anyone else doesn't know anything because they are younger. But there is a certain knowledge, or lack thereof that comes with following this game.
There are members of this forum that have forgotten more about this game than most of us will ever know. And then there are those who think they know everything about everything. It just so happens that 2 of those fellas are young, and one of them is 27 .

I just turned 28.

I was the same way when I was 21-24, big wig, thought I had the world by the balls, then the man steps on your own and says "I GOT YOU BY THE BALLS" and then you want to retire.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i disagree and dont believe he is blockhead/seretariat. I wish I could hang out with him for a day at the OTB to prove to ya'll

on a more serious note, i see what you old folk mean about experience... but being young and rebellious i just cant stand when people think the younger generation doesnt know anything because they havent been there for long

Hilarious.

Let me tell you some things that I have learned with my 28 years of life

The younger generation doesn't know a damn thing, and that includes myself.

1) You are not given respect, you earn it
2) You create your own karma
3) Karma is the biggest bitch on this planet, their is none bigger
4) Experience is the ONLY knowledge on this planet, a book tells you ZIP, matter of fact, they say that you only retain 15% of what you read
5) It isn't what you know, it is who you know
6) Until about the age of 45-50, open up your eyes and ears and shut your f'n mouth

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Scav

Hilarious.

Let me tell you some things that I have learned with my 28 years of life

The younger generation doesn't know a damn thing, and that includes myself.

1) You are not given respect, you earn it
2) You create your own karma
3) Karma is the biggest bitch on this planet, their is none bigger
4) Experience is the ONLY knowledge on this planet, a book tells you ZIP, matter of fact, they say that you only retain 15% of what you read
5) It isn't what you know, it is who you know
6) Until about the age of 45-50, open up your eyes and ears and shut your f'n mouth

Couple more years for me, then all hell is breaking loose on this board.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Scav

e) You are defending someone for no absolute reason. The guy is a clown and went from attacking people to having normal conversations to attacking people to knowing it all. It actually has the feeling that it is Blockhead/Secretariat (who knows after the Server crashed if Byk still has him blocked).

trust me, we go out of our way to make sure that guy is still blocked.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Scav

6) Until about the age of 45-50, open up your eyes and ears and shut your f'n mouth

very true in many cases...esp. when trying to put the 'greatness' of a horse or a race or a trainer in the context of history.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

trust me, we go out of our way to make sure that guy is still blocked.

You darted Andy!!?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

I just turned 28.

I was the same way when I was 21-24, big wig, thought I had the world by the balls, then the man steps on your own and says "I GOT YOU BY THE BALLS" and then you want to retire.

i dont think i have the world by the balls, i understand i can lose, i have lost these last few days, i also never said i was the best and i dont brag when i win, i dont see why this is even being discussed i post the bets that i make, and im going to continue posting them on the days that i decided to bet.....

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i disagree and dont believe he is blockhead/seretariat. I wish I could hang out with him for a day at the OTB to prove to ya'll

f) must go to sleep... long day of driving to ocala and then to cajuns house awaits

I have skin tags older than you kids.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I have skin tags older than you kids.

sent to stud let me ask you something you seem like a guy who definitly knows his stuff and in a previous post you stated you have gone through alot in your life.... what am i doing wrong ? i make the bets i say i make, no one on here knows my situation, especially my financial situation so why does there always have to be a huge deal about me posting my plays, on top of everything im getting crushed latley so not only do i lose, i also have to come on here and read all this....

[Payson Dave]

PG,
Just my guess...but I suspect that posting your selections and the type of your wagers without getting into the amount of your wagers would go over a little better....just my humble opinion

[MisterB]

PTG1985

Why don't you preview your post first, read them as if you where the reciever, then ask yourself the question above.

You could be more of a winner, if you looked at what you bet. Your not a public handicapper who needs to beat a dead line. Don't you think they would love to change most of their picks the next day? Believe me, they all do. This game has to many variables, and to not review all the changes as they come, your destine as a big time looser. This game changes by the race. Use the info to your advantage.

Also, no need to put up your wager amounts. I must say, they are sometimes very questionable. With you current wagers, and other gambling activities, you would need to make over 100,000K a year, with a small debt for other essentials. None of my business, but at your age, noway, unless being sponsored.

This is not to piss you off, I am a Dad of 2 sons, been there done that.

[jman5581]

PG1985,

I, personally, don't have any issue with you posting your picks and what you bet. I usually don't pay that close attention to them though just because of the reputation you've made for yourself on the board by being overly bold and controversial. It's really not a matter of you posting your picks, taking your losses, etc. It's difficult for any of us to decipher what you're actually doing, so it's basically us taking you at your word. But, ultimately, other than AT32, I don't think very many take you at your word because of the reputation you've given yourself by being so aggressive and "know-it-all-like." Also, you've made statements in the past that just did not add up, so you've given everyone reason to be suspicious of what you say, including your bets. I don't believe you make the bets you say you do, but that's just me. I don't know anything about you other than what you've posted to this board just as you don't know anything about any of us other than what we've posted. Based on what I know about myself and my own financial situation (which isn't OUTSTANDING, but at the same time isn't all that bleak), I couldn't imagine throwing around "horse" money the way you do. We've all lived and know how tough it can be to make ends meet, much less to continually keep losing hundreds, even thousands, down the drain in such short periods of time as you claim to do, whether it be on horses, equities, derivatives...you name it.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

sent to stud let me ask you something you seem like a guy who definitly knows his stuff and in a previous post you stated you have gone through alot in your life.... what am i doing wrong ? i make the bets i say i make, no one on here knows my situation, especially my financial situation so why does there always have to be a huge deal about me posting my plays, on top of everything im getting crushed latley so not only do i lose, i also have to come on here and read all this....

Random thoughts:
1. It doesn't matter what nearly all people say or think about you in person much less on a message board.
2. If you're in your 20's and have no dependents, you do not need life insurance.
3. If you're getting crushed, stop. If you're in your 20's, even if you're not getting crushed, cut your action in half, save $10 or $20k and buy a piece of property.
4. I'm still wondering how or if I can win without the rebates I was getting from Pinnacle.
5. If you're betting the kind of $$ you mention at your age, it's perhaps not a good thing... no matter what your financial situation is.
6. I am still lamenting my corner gas station discontinuing sales of the Daily Racing Form.
7. In the end, there is only so much cheese and everyone is, indeed, a rat. Make your best friends outside of work.

Seriously, I'm flabbergasted by the amount of money some of the younger people say they wager. An average 25 yo is probably in his/her first or second job and making $35 or $40k. If you're doing better than that, that's good but still gambling at a high or relatively high level without having accumulated some assets is not a good thing. For every 22 year old you see winning big on TV poker, there are probably another 1,000 somehow lying their way into their next $50 sit-n-go.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Random thoughts:
1. It doesn't matter what nearly all people say or think about you in person much less on a message board.
2. If you're in your 20's and have no dependents, you do not need life insurance.
3. If you're getting crushed, stop. If you're in your 20's, even if you're not getting crushed, cut your action in half, save $10 or $20k and buy a piece of property.
4. I'm still wondering how or if I can win without the rebates I was getting from Pinnacle.
5. If you're betting the kind of $$ you mention at your age, it's perhaps not a good thing... no matter what your financial situation is.
6. I am still lamenting my corner gas station discontinuing sales of the Daily Racing Form.
7. In the end, there is only so much cheese and everyone is, indeed, a rat. Make your best friends outside of work.

Seriously, I'm flabbergasted by the amount of money some of the younger people say they wager. An average 25 yo is probably in his/her first or second job and making $35 or $40k. If you're doing better than that, that's good but still gambling at a high or relatively high level without having accumulated some assets is not a good thing. For every 22 year old you see winning big on TV poker, there are probably another 1,000 somehow lying their way into their next $50 sit-n-go.

Thank you Arnold Rothstein.


I'll come back to you in October and ask who you like in the Series.