Been touting TIAGO

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

He's not my top pick but I can see this horse winning the Derby with right set-up, etc. . . He's gonna be severely underlaid, however, because of the Giacomo comparisons. . .

You need to go lay on a couch somewhere.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, i haven't said tiago is my derby horse, nor is he a maiden.
shame you can't enjoy a race, and say anything about the winner, without being dressed down. regardless of field strength, tiago is now a gsw-who knows where he goes from here?

I predict he will be just like Lava Man,everytime he ships ,he will get his ASS HANDED TO HIM,Just like every California shipper did yesterday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I predict he will be just like Lava Man,everytime he ships ,he will get his ASS HANDED TO HIM,Just like every California shipper did yesterday.

it's possible...or maybe not.

it's the kentucky derby, we all know anything can happen. it doesn't matter who won what the last six months, or at two...it matters who is getting right at the right time, and can handle the distance, the trip, the track, the crowd.

it's a shame that each race can't be enjoyed for what it is, rather then all these historic races being labelled another prep. the 'best' get to run in may--but winning, or losing, the wood for example, or the bluegrass, doesn't tell you much imo about what'll happen in may!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Giacomo was a MUCH better horse than Tiago going into the Derby---and you aren't going to get 50/1 on Tiago.

His 2 yo 2nd to Declans was pretty good. He got beat by a wide margn in the Felipe while.

What in the world made him more acomplished?

The 2nd to Declans Moon or his trouncing of Wilko?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Giacomo was a MUCH better horse than Tiago going into the Derby---and you aren't going to get 50/1 on Tiago.

No way....Giacomo had 1 win(maiden) going into the Derby.He had been a disappointment.This is why he paid more at Churchill than he did to people who played him in futures back in January.I think we saw this horse's best pitch yesterday,and someday we will see it again.I do believe this was his big race(like the Derby was Giacomo's big race.)Just like with Giacomo,everything came together that had to.I only saw the 2nd half of the card,but I reviewd the dirt races for the day.Tiago picked about the best day of the meet to be a rater(there haven't been many of those this meet.)Not like he was the only bomb on the dirt yesterday.I hope he does well in the Derby,but he and his half bro are not win machines.They are class horses that can win if things all line up right.I will say this though,TIAGO caught a horse who was not exactly swerving side to side.I mean Roxy ran pretty well late.

[Cajungator26]

I thought Roxy looked tired and finished second on class alone.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Yea, he is:

THUNDER WARNING, c, ch, Thunder Gulch-Something Else
TIAGO, c, b, Pleasant Tap-Set Them Free
TILLMAN'S LEGEND, c, ch, Orientate-La Violette

Thanks, Brian. I wonder why Equibase left him out.

What's the link to the list of nominated horses?

--Dunbar

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought Roxy looked tired and finished second on class alone.

i don't think he can get the 10....they had questions about him handling the distance, i wouldn't run him past 9. but it's not up to me obviously!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think he can get the 10....they had questions about him handling the distance, i wouldn't run him past 9. but it's not up to me obviously!

I think even 9 is stretching it... but you know that they'll try!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think even 9 is stretching it... but you know that they'll try!

i was worried that he would give it up in the stretch, but he battled on--i like that horse!
but i don't believe he's a 10f-er. and yeah, 9 is stretching it for him.

I too thought Roxy ran well at the end, but the clock says he finished the final 1/8 in 13 1/2 which is pretty much hitting the wall. l looked again at the tape to confirm this and he still looks like he's running pretty well. So I dunno. Tiago finished in about 13 sec which means I guess he can run on.

But he isnt going to win the derby closing in 26 sec. Or not very likely.

based on that I would say: Roxy cannot get 10 panels, unless he somehow rates. Tiago yes, but not likely to win or even hit the board.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by easy goer

I too thought Roxy ran well at the end, but the clock says he finished the final 1/8 in 13 1/2 which is pretty much hitting the wall. l looked again at the tape to confirm this and he still looks like he's running pretty well. So I dunno. Tiago finished in about 13 sec which means I guess he can run on.

But he isnt going to win the derby closing in 26 sec. Or not very likely.

based on that I would say: Roxy cannot get 10 panels, unless he somehow rates. Tiago yes, but not likely to win or even hit the board.

Yeah, I honestly don't see Roxy winning the derby.

[tiznowthegreat]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i was worried that he would give it up in the stretch, but he battled on--i like that horse!
but i don't believe he's a 10f-er. and yeah, 9 is stretching it for him.

I'm not bein a smartass, i'm just curious because I really don't know. How do you all come to the conclusion that 10f is out of his realm. I've heard this now from many people about this horse, and I just don't know enough I guess to understand why.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Giacomo was a MUCH better horse than Tiago going into the Derby---and you aren't going to get 50/1 on Tiago.

I agree with the second part, and you know how much I agree with your opinion but I think Tiago has more natural talent then Giacomo.

You know it just dawned on me, becuase I have such a funny handle I bet you dont even know who this is.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I predict he will be just like Lava Man,everytime he ships ,he will get his ASS HANDED TO HIM,Just like every California shipper did yesterday.

Dont you evaluate each race as their own, are you actually trying to say california horses dont win their fair share of races when they ship?

Interesting that Ermine could not win in california then wins the apple blossom, did you step down in class?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think he can get the 10....they had questions about him handling the distance, i wouldn't run him past 9. but it's not up to me obviously!

I read in the TDN that as of right now they are planning to go straight to the preakness with king of the roxy.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

I'm not bein a smartass, i'm just curious because I really don't know. How do you all come to the conclusion that 10f is out of his realm. I've heard this now from many people about this horse, and I just don't know enough I guess to understand why.

I think a lot of people, myself included had doubts because in his only other attempt at a 2 turn route, the BC Juvenile, he faded badly.

On Saturday he ran well and the pace appears to have been honest, but the field was not strong and the final time I guess was just okay. I don't think the question anymore is whether he can get 10F, but whether or not he is good enough to have an impact in the derby. Personally I don't think you can totally ignore him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I read in the TDN that as of right now they are planning to go straight to the preakness with king of the roxy.

of the three classics, that one fits him the best imo. still going to be a toughie for him, but i'm glad they're skipping the derby.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

I'm not bein a smartass, i'm just curious because I really don't know. How do you all come to the conclusion that 10f is out of his realm. I've heard this now from many people about this horse, and I just don't know enough I guess to understand why.

his pedigree--also the fact that he is a winner at 6-7 f, but not his first time at longer. i think he finished second more out of desire than ability! i just don't see him being as competitive at 9/10f as he can be at 6f-1 mile.