Why Super Frolic matters

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You think everyone knew that Super Frolic broke down at some irrelevant outpost late on a Saturday evening?

my 'it' was the the type of thread in general, not super frolic in particular. i had no problem whatsoever with this thread.
as for whether everyone knew, well i don't know. but i do know an earlier thread was posted saying he had broken down.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not sure if you are referring to me as cold and completely lacking empathy, because I am not. But, this is the sport as we know it. it is sad seeing a horse break down, no doubt. But it just seems over the top to me. If that makes me cold and lacking empathy fine. Why follow a sport that causes so much sadness?

no dahoss, not at all...i know by putting in different points, someone might think i was talking about them...i was talking about stonegossards post regarding winning his bet. i thought his post was callous. i have posted threads when a better known horse has passed, as not everyone reads the different sites, and may not realize. i don't cry about horses breaking down, but i do feel sadness for them. not enough to stop following the sport obviously, but it is a shame.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think what he said was something some feel, but don't have the balls to say. I don't think his post was hutful, or trying to be a wiseass. Look, I get the emotional attachment to an animal and such, but it seems a tad unrealistic that someone can have such a strong emotional attachement to seemingly every horse that breaks down.

yeah it really takes balls to rag on someone pouring their heart out about a horse. you are way overstating the reality when you say that its unrealistic to have such emotional attachment to EVERY horse that breaks down. MMSC has the angels thread in esoteric that simply acknowledges which horses have passed on, not because there is a great emotional attachment to each one. its more as an informational thing. I also think she has made a few threads here about certain horses that were special to her. I can see someone not getting it, or not having any interest in it. what are you implying when you say you find it a tad unrealistic, that its being faked? what?
some people come at this game a different way and its not all about speed figures and trifectas

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yeah it really takes balls to rag on someone pouring their heart out about a horse. you are way overstating the reality when you say that its unrealistic to have such emotional attachment to EVERY horse that breaks down. MMSC has the angels thread in esoteric that simply acknowledges which horses have passed on, not because there is a great emotional attachment to each one. its more as an informational thing. I also think she has made a few threads here about certain horses that were special to her. I can see someone not getting it, or not having any interest in it. what are you implying when you say you find it a tad unrealistic, that its being faked? what?
some people come at this game a different way and its not all about speed figures and trifectas

I don't think a memorial thread to Super F is anything but good. He ran a lot of races, won a good sum of money and ran against the best there was, holding his own.

If there is room for dozens of threads and thousands of posts about Bernardini, a horse who was very good for a VERY short period of time, there certainly is a place for a comment about Super Frolic.

[cmorioles]

I true pioneer in the game dies, Richard Carter, and it gets not even a handful of replies here. A friend of someone else dies, same thing, before some clown starts diverting it and making jokes. A horse dies, and now the Gestapo is out to straighten out us alleged horse haters? Something seems a little out of wack here.

[Cajungator26]

As a lover of horses, catastrophic breakdowns will always bring tears to my eyes. I understand how some of you might feel about that because some of us are horse players and some of us are horse lovers. I think it was blackthroatedwind who told me that I wasn't a real bettor, and he's right. I don't suppose I ever will be, but I do think there's a place in horseracing for both kinds of people. I'm not going to look down upon those who don't feel the same way about it as I do, but understand that there are those like me (and MMSC) that feel an emotional attachment to these animals because they died doing something that WE made them do. I love this sport and won't ever stop watching it, but I still feel like we owe some kind of respect for the animals that make HORSEracing what it's all about.

[SentToStud]

I readily admit not knowing who Richard Carter is. I certainly do not know how he pioneered the sport. In fact, I never heard of him. But, may he RIP.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I readily admit not knowing who Richard Carter is. I certainly do not know how he pioneered the sport. In fact, I never heard of him. But, may he RIP.

Tom Ainslie. I meant to add that in but forgot.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I true pioneer in the game dies, Richard Carter, and it gets not even a handful of replies here. A friend of someone else dies, same thing, before some clown starts diverting it and making jokes. A horse dies, and now the Gestapo is out to straighten out us alleged horse haters? Something seems a little out of wack here.

While I have respect for humans dying as well (been around my fair share of that), I think the reason some people feel more empathetic to the horses is because they are actually euthanized. The last time I checked, we weren't euthanizing humans for running in races and breaking their legs. Nevertheless, I agree that people shouldn't be making jokes on the same thread as the one you mentioned above. It shows a complete lack of respect for the dead...

RIP to Mr. Carter.

[paisjpq]

I don't really have a dog in this fight so I should probably keep my mouth shut....but here's the thing....last week a horse that I foaled and helped raise (Gruffles) died after falling over another horse at Belmont, I was sad to hear that he died as a result of a complete acident, but I didn't feel the need to start a thread about why he was so important....because he was important to me personally, and I don't require others to care about the things I care about...I think that is the whole issue in this thread....trying to make others feel the same things as one another....newsflash, it ain't gonna happen.

I'm sorry super frolic broke down, just like I am sorry when any horse breaks down, but pages and pages of fighting over whether or not we should care seems a bit excessive.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, the poster who started this thread seems to hurt for every horse that gets injured, or worse, and while she is certainly entitled to that sentiment, it is hardly surprising that others have picked up on the repetitive series of posts of this ilk.

Honestly, I posted about a racetrack friend of mine who passed away and some nitwit chose to turn the thread into something else entirely. His thoughts didn't diminish my sorrow. You post on the internet and you get what you get.

actually I thought later about your thread, and was going to use that as an example. It was obviously someone you knew and had some feeling for.
I saw your thread early on and didn't see where anyone had messed it up but I do believe it is somewhat the same as this instance. Not everyone knew about that guy so I'm sure it had different meaning to different people. those that knew him where probably touched and compelled to say something. Those that didn't know him it was more like information and its hard to feel one way or another. But it is certainly not okay for some jagoff to ruin the thread by posting some crap or to question YOUR sincerity. If someone did that to your thread then it was indeed wrong. It is the internet and you can't control what people say, but that doesn't make it right.

Most things posted are fair game for dispute, but a simple thread that someone makes telling why they liked a particular horse and felt it was good for the sport hardly seems like the type of subject that should bring people out of the woodwork to disagree.

it is simply not true that a thread like this is repetitive. it is very rare actually. the person who started the thread maintains a couple of threads that are a service for people to know when horses are lost or unaccounted for. they are repetitive by nature since this is an on going event. anyone who has spent time on here knows the names of those threads and can simply ignore them.

[largo1]

"As a lover of horses, catastrophic breakdowns will always bring tears to my eyes. I understand how some of you might feel about that because some of us are horse players and some of us are horse lovers. I think it was blackthroatedwind who told me that I wasn't a real bettor, and he's right. I don't suppose I ever will be, but I do think there's a place in horseracing for both kinds of people. I'm not going to look down upon those who don't feel the same way about it as I do, but understand that there are those like me (and MMSC) that feel an emotional attachment to these animals because they died doing something that WE made them do. I love this sport and won't ever stop watching it, but I still feel like we owe some kind of respect for the animals that make HORSEracing what it's all about."

Thanks so much for this well-reasoned post. As I read this thread, my blood was beginning to boil and I felt sick to my stomach at the majority of the responses. You said *exactly* what I am feeling but am too disgusted to verbalize.
Suzanne(and, YES, the breed could have used the genes of a hard-knocking horse like Super Frolic. The breed is being destroyed by the market for a faster and more precocious horse)
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[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I don't think a memorial thread to Super F is anything but good. He ran a lot of races, won a good sum of money and ran against the best there was, holding his own.

If there is room for dozens of threads and thousands of posts about Bernardini, a horse who was very good for a VERY short period of time, there certainly is a place for a comment about Super Frolic.

no its okay to have countless pages of babble and nonsense and sarcasm about any and all subjects, but don't dare start a thread saying that you liked a horse and felt he was good for the sport. that kind of crap is totally out of bounds on here.

[largo1]

Not only are humans not euthanized for breaking a leg, but they CHOSE to participate in an activity which could be harmful. The horses don't have a choice. No one asked them if they'd rather be in training everyday and racing at 2 or eating grass in a big pasture.

Suzanne

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by largo1

The horses don't have a choice. No one asked them if they'd rather be in training everyday and racing at 2 or eating grass in a big pasture.

Suzanne

Is this the PETA board?
I'm going to ask the next racehorse I see if they would like to quit racing. If they say yes, to the pasture they go. I'll rescue them myself.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

While I have respect for humans dying as well (been around my fair share of that), I think the reason some people feel more empathetic to the horses is because they are actually euthanized. The last time I checked, we weren't euthanizing humans for running in races and breaking their legs. Nevertheless, I agree that people shouldn't be making jokes on the same thread as the one you mentioned above. It shows a complete lack of respect for the dead...

RIP to Mr. Carter.

Are you saying that a horse's death is more tragic than a person's death?

You clearly cant be this insane.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Are you saying that a horse's death is more tragic than a person's death?

You clearly cant be this insane.

You clearly can't read. Please don't put words in my mouth.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You clearly can't read. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Ok Miss Manson.

[CoronadosQuest]

Originally Posted by Swap Fliparoo

He earned black type at 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7... very unusual these days. $933,000... almost a millionaire.

Just to correct this for you, Super Frolic earned $1.4 million dollars on the racetrack. He surely was a solid performer thats for sure, though his best year was in 2005 when he won the Hawthorne Gold Cup and was 4th in the 2005 BC Classic.

42 Starts: 11 - 5 - 7, $1,456,334

[sumitas]

He truly earned a career at stud, somewhere. He honestly had done enough. He was a well known horse in the game and deserved much better.