Dr. Kevorkian to run for Congress.......

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

but if I was placed in that situation by someone else...well, then the decision would be mine alone to make....therein lies my point, it would be MY responsibility not the government's...and, if I did do what was requested of me, I would do so against my beliefs and with the expectation that I would pay the consequences!

The only government that allows this (Oregon's) feels exactly the way you do. They do not mandate that physicians participate in the Death With Dignity Act; a patient must find a doctor who does and they have no recourse to force a doctor to go along with it.

So, the government is not making a decision for anyone, or imposing any decision on anyone -- they are simply saying that you (patient & doctor individually) have the right to make your own decisions.

What's the harm in that? Nobody has to do anything they don't want to. So, if that's not enough, please reassure me that those who oppose physician-assisted suicide do so from a genuine place that is not about controlling other people.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont think you understand what assisted suicide is. People who are in too much pain or do not have the functions to commit it, but want to end their pain, have someone like Dr. K assist them.

You saying "if someone else dicides to end it for them" is completely off base because the assistant is NOT deciding this, they are just helping with someones wishes.

I really have no idea how you and Cajun dont get this.

Dr. K provided the means, but with the exception of a couple of cases, was not the one who actually DID it.

"The individuals themselves allegedly took the final action which resulted in their own deaths. Kevorkian allegedly assisted only by attaching the individual to a device that he had made. The individual then pushed a button which released the drugs or chemicals that would end his or her own life."

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, you miss the point....if my dog asked me to end his life and I saw he was suffering, I would...and I would accept any and all consequences for my action. If a person asked me...I would have to make a PERSONAL decision, how could I (or even you) know what I (or you) would do? I am opposed to the concept and would never take my own life, nor would I be so demanding of another to ask them to do so, but if I was placed in that situation by someone else...well, then the decision would be mine alone to make....therein lies my point, it would be MY responsibility not the government's...and, if I did do what was requested of me, I would do so against my beliefs and with the expectation that I would pay the consequences! Life is about decisions and the consequences of making them...and Willie Parker broke his leg immediately after I picked him up and placed him in my lineup so I paid the price of losing 20 + points that week...exactly what I deserved!

working in the psych field , you should know better then anyone that people can have a nervous breakdown or just lose it. some people can seem at one point in thier life to have it together and say those same words and later something may change. i know that i say i wouldnt either .but i would be foolish to realisticly think someday something could go seriously wrong ,but what do our futures hold for us or for others. why do we always question and say -i never thought they would do that-or they seemed happy. the brain is one of the last undiscovered frontiers in med, and doesnt get the funding it deserves, we know very little about it . my point being never say never. you just don't know........i'm sure some of the young men before they left for iraq didn't plan on co,ming home and commiting suicide either. and its a alarming amount-as one example

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

The only government that allows this (Oregon's) feels exactly the way you do. They do not mandate that physicians participate in the Death With Dignity Act; a patient must find a doctor who does and they have no recourse to force a doctor to go along with it.

So, the government is not making a decision for anyone, or imposing any decision on anyone -- they are simply saying that you (patient & doctor individually) have the right to make your own decisions.

What's the harm in that? Nobody has to do anything they don't want to. So, if that's not enough, please reassure me that those who oppose physician-assisted suicide do so from a genuine place that is not about controlling other people.

couldn't agree more

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Too kind Hossy....that means a lot to me.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

working in the psych field , you should know better then anyone that people can have a nervous breakdown or just lose it. some people can seem at one point in thier life to have it together and say those same words and later something may change. i know that i say i wouldnt either .but i would be foolish to realisticly think someday something could go seriously wrong ,but what do our futures hold for us or for others. why do we always question and say -i never thought they would do that-or they seemed happy. the brain is one of the last undiscovered frontiers in med, and doesnt get the funding it deserves, we know very little about it . my point being never say never. you just don't know........i'm sure some of the young men before they left for iraq didn't plan on co,ming home and commiting suicide either. and its a alarming amount-as one example

I'll grant you that...never say never....but my convictions require me to say that...I feel very strongly and simply HAVE to believe I'd never sink so low mentally and spiritually to do myself in....but your point is well made.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Forcing someone to die an agonizingly slow, painful, miserable death while absolutely hating every minute of the end of their excruciating existence, OR letting someone with a terminal illness which will lead to a slow, painful, miserable death which will cause them to hate every minute of the end of the excruciating existence die with a little bit of peace and dignity.......

Hm, a real nail biter of a tossup there.

Agree one hundred percent.....

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

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No it doesn't.

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[GPK]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

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Originally Posted by GPK

^^^also can't
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Right to KentuckyInRose.

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[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

^^^ Wearing a Lebron jersey right now.

I laughed...

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Funny...you haven't laughed at Suffy-poo.

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[GPK]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Funny...you haven't laughed at Suffy-poo.

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