Best race in Delaware Park history???

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on now.

LOLOL, HE IS THOUGH

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

churchill, belmont, saratoga. dirt is still the #1 surface here, regardless of cali. as for keeneland, they are part owner of an AWT company, so no joke they switched.

listen i hope dirt remains 1 forever, but if any sire is strong on AWT they can make it here....

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years....

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i said i think, and if not heatseeker then who else ?

if they raced today on AWT, who wins ?

i really have no idea, and i don't think it'll ever happen anyway. i usually will talk about what has happened, not speculate about things that probably won't.
heatseeker couldn't beat tiago (and yes, he was giving weight) so i''m supposed to think he can get curlin out of a canter?

i don't think any horse out there, based on current form, can beat curlin on dirt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

125 is a bargain

hell no it isn't.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i really have no idea, and i don't think it'll ever happen anyway. i usually will talk about what has happened, not speculate about things that probably won't.
heatseeker couldn't beat tiago (and yes, he was giving weight) so i''m supposed to think he can get curlin out of a canter?

i don't think any horse out there, based on current form, can beat curlin on dirt.

i said AWT

[jcs11204]

because the breeders cup classic, are biggest race.. will be run on that for the next 2 years

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

listen i hope dirt remains 1 forever, but if any sire is strong on AWT they can make it here....

everyone has said throughout this thread that GC needs to produce on dirt, and now you're talking about AWT?! nice recovery.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell no it isn't.

i disagree.

[philcski]

JCS is right about one thing... if the BC were this week, considering it's at Santa Anita and it's unlikely Curlin will run, Heatseeker would be the favorite, and the most likely winner. As for the rest, I'm not sure.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

everyone has said throughout this thread that GC needs to produce on dirt, and now you're talking about AWT?! nice recovery.

i am making the point that... he does not have to produce on dirt
because AWT is a huge part of are racing...make sense ?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

it would break the monotony. at least sunday silence was great in both careers!!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

i dont know... sire wise giant is still very young

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am making the point that... he does not have to produce on dirt
because AWT is a huge part of are racing...make sense ?

yes, he does to be considered a top sire. he's marginalized himself. and practically nothing you put on here makes sense.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

125 is a bargain

I'll stipulate that he was a tremendous racehorse, but let's look at the following facts as a stallion: 31% winners from foals; 5% stakes-winners; median earnings of $14,599; and an AEI of 1.98 versus a CI of 3.55. That hardly qualifies as a "bargain" at $125,000.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

because the breeders cup classic, are biggest race.. will be run on that for the next 2 years

what? do you mean are or our?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, he does to be considered a top sire. he's marginalized himself. and practically nothing you put on here makes sense.

i think i am making sense... why does he need a great dirt horse, when there are major meets on poly, synthetic all weather or whatever you want to call it ....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'll stipulate that he was a tremendous racehorse, but let's look at the following facts as a stallion: 31% winners from foals; 5% stakes-winners; median earnings of $14,599; and an AEI of 1.98 versus a CI of 3.55. That hardly qualifies as a "bargain" at $125,000.

that's a crappy ROI. he'd be declaring bankruptcy if he was a business.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what? do you mean are or our?

our... so the convo is over now ? your going to start this ? thats fine, i will say anything else in the thread

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think i am making sense... why does he need a great dirt horse, when there are major meets on poly, synthetic all weather or whatever you want to call it ....

of course you think you are....


why does he need dirt horses? what meets get the most attention? churchill, two meets, with the biggest race in the country held there-on dirt. the three classics, on dirt. florida, dirt. new york, dirt. maryland, dirt. what part of 'this sport is predominantly based on dirt' do you not understand? you can't be a great sire, if you can't produce great horses, and the best horses here are considered to be classic, dirt horses. did you notice the post above, with his median earnings? that's awful, and pathetically awful when you consider his stud fee.
he is a turf and AWT sire. that doesn't mean he's bad-but he is overpriced by a mile, and is a 'niche' sire. only the very rich can afford him, and they get what they paid for-a turfer. problem is, they're overpaying for that turfer.