Is the current Pope a disgrace to the Cathloic Church

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

many of the dioceses in which these abuses happened have declared bankruptcy, rather than pay to the victim-and the catholic church is one of the richest companies in the world. the last time i read about it, they were the largest property owner in america.

This is untrue. Portland, Tuscon and San Diego have sought chapter 11 protection. This in no way rids themselves of the responsiblity of paying victims who bring lawsuts. Truth is the Catholic church has paid over a billion dollars to date. In addtion the Catholic church is not alone in the abuse which in no way minimizes what was done and what was covered up. Take for instance the Angelican church

IN a compensation deal condemned by child protection advocates as woefully inadequate, the Anglican Church has offered a total of $825,000 to 41 former residents of an orphanage who say they were sexually and physically abused by clergymen and staff at the church-run facility.

Church "a church of compassion"

The amounts offered to the Lismore residents range from $16,000 to $22,600, compared with $40,000 to $75,000 granted by the Catholic Church in 2002 to 16 former residents of Brisbane's Nazareth House who were subjected to a similar regime of abuse.

Mr Comben, a former Queensland cabinet minister who is now the registrar of Grafton diocese, said senior counsel had advised the church it was not liable for compensation.

"We have made that offer on the basis that the church is a church of compassion and wants to make a passable approach to people who had apparently been damaged in a place that had some sort of connections with some church people," he said.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...69-421,00.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This is untrue. Portland, Tuscon and San Diego have sought chapter 11 protection. This in no way rids themselves of the responsiblity of paying victims who bring lawsuts. Truth is the Catholic church has paid over a billion dollars to date. In addtion the Catholic church is not alone in the abuse which in no way minimizes what was done and what was covered up. Take for instance the Angelican church

IN a compensation deal condemned by child protection advocates as woefully inadequate, the Anglican Church has offered a total of $825,000 to 41 former residents of an orphanage who say they were sexually and physically abused by clergymen and staff at the church-run facility.

Church "a church of compassion"

The amounts offered to the Lismore residents range from $16,000 to $22,600, compared with $40,000 to $75,000 granted by the Catholic Church in 2002 to 16 former residents of Brisbane's Nazareth House who were subjected to a similar regime of abuse.

Mr Comben, a former Queensland cabinet minister who is now the registrar of Grafton diocese, said senior counsel had advised the church it was not liable for compensation.

"We have made that offer on the basis that the church is a church of compassion and wants to make a passable approach to people who had apparently been damaged in a place that had some sort of connections with some church people," he said.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...69-421,00.html

really?


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ts-609663.html



an excerpt:

A bankruptcy filing would amount to an admission of liability by the Church, but it would also assist it in several ways. All the suits now before the courts would be suspended and no new filings would be allowed. The existing 450 actions against the Church would later be lumped together into a single class action suit, which would make an out-of-court settlement more likely

[Danzig]

and this, from san diego:

http://www.10news.com/news/14065673/detail.html

an excerpt:

The diocese had sought to protect its assets in bankruptcy court, but quickly found it a rough venue before a judge who criticized the church for bookkeeping practices, undervaluing real estate holdings and failing to disclose facts.


now, filing may not have gotten them the end result the church sought...but they most certainly filed in an attempt to protect their vast wealth!

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

John Paul was just as bad. Turned a blind eye to abuse. Happened under his watch.. its crazy to think he didnt know.

And I agree with Dell... most priests are great human beings. Only a small percentage are molesters. But the fact that those molesters were covered up by the Catholic church for so long and just moved to other churches is what was so wrong with John Paul.

He did not turn a blind eye.
And he got a lot of the priests names out so that they could
be moved and then removed via the press.
And it would have happened under God's watch.
Not our god here, but the large God.

[letswastemoney]

what makes the pope so special anyway....i thought we are all equal in the eyes of God.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

what makes the pope so special anyway....i thought we are all equal in the eyes of God.

anybody ever send white smoke up a chimney for you??

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29092136/

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29092136/

Earlier in the thread:

Well it looks like he was unable to rehabilitate
the "Bishop" that believes the holocaust never happened.

Thanks for posting the article as I could not find out much about it.

I think a Pope for the week
reality show could work.
The Vatican would go along
with this...

when hell (or maybe purgatory) freezes over.

Hell is deep in the earth.
Where exactly is Purgatory (Colorado is out)

[dellinger63]

I know still not enogh for most but good enough for me

http://www.newsmax.com/international...12/181052.html

[brockguy]

Angelo Scola for the next Pope!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I know still not enogh for most but good enough for me

http://www.newsmax.com/international...12/181052.html

I'm sorry.. but Pope Bendadick looks JUST like the evil emperor from Star Wars.

http://www.wunderkraut.com/art/pope-palpatine.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sZI4G3Je2d...vs_Emperor.jpg

http://www.edrants.com/wp-content/up...4/benedict.jpg

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I know still not enogh for most but good enough for me

http://www.newsmax.com/international...12/181052.html

To put the icing on the cake he will
visit Israel in May.

Guess he figured out he had made a mess.

[letswastemoney]

I say we overthrow the pope!!

Who's with me???!?!?!?!?!??!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Earlier in the thread:

Well it looks like he was unable to rehabilitate
the "Bishop" that believes the holocaust never happened.

Thanks for posting the article as I could not find out much about it.

I think a Pope for the week
reality show could work.
The Vatican would go along
with this...

when hell (or maybe purgatory) freezes over.

Hell is deep in the earth.
Where exactly is Purgatory (Colorado is out)

i was reading yesterday that he has brought back indulgences...you can't just buy one, that was ruled out years upon years ago...but charitable giving can only help. one indulgence per person, per day; and they don't count unless you also go to confession once a year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I know still not enogh for most but good enough for me

http://www.newsmax.com/international...12/181052.html

perhaps he should have considered all of this BEFORE welcoming that bishop back into the fold. far easier to measure your steps than having to apologize and/or back track..

Originally Posted by Danzig

i was reading yesterday that he has brought back indulgences...you can't just buy one, that was ruled out years upon years ago...but charitable giving can only help. one indulgence per person, per day; and they don't count unless you also go to confession once a year.

Confession.
Damn.

I dont commit sins.
But I guess I have sinned in my heart
so I go that going for me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Confession.
Damn.

I dont commit sins.
But I guess I have sinned in my heart
so I go that going for me.

jimmy carter-type sins?? lol


i remember when i was little and going to ccd that they would drag us to confession every few weeks...we'd be petrified about having nothing to confess-'come now, there must be something'...so we'd make up stuff. yeah, that's great. teach kids to lie because they're convinced they're going to hell if they don't confess their sins. ugh.

i haven't been to confession in about 18 years. and ya know what, i feel great!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

jimmy carter-type sins?? lol


i remember when i was little and going to ccd that they would drag us to confession every few weeks...we'd be petrified about having nothing to confess-'come now, there must be something'...so we'd make up stuff. yeah, that's great. teach kids to lie because they're convinced they're going to hell if they don't confess their sins. ugh.

i haven't been to confession in about 18 years. and ya know what, i feel great!

awesome and congrats. I think?

Originally Posted by Danzig

jimmy carter-type sins?? lol


i remember when i was little and going to ccd that they would drag us to confession every few weeks...we'd be petrified about having nothing to confess-'come now, there must be something'...so we'd make up stuff. yeah, that's great. teach kids to lie because they're convinced they're going to hell if they don't confess their sins. ugh.

i haven't been to confession in about 18 years. and ya know what, i feel great!

Exactly what we did!

Heck I could not remember what happened 10 minutes
before I came into the churchas a kid. Like I was going
to remember what I was told I had done wrong a week before...

funny stuff though.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Exactly what we did!

Heck I could not remember what happened 10 minutes
before I came into the churchas a kid. Like I was going
to remember what I was told I had done wrong a week before...

funny stuff though.

we didn't and our priests would except that. Sorry you all had to lie which would have been enough before you got your 10 hail mary's etc.