"His mother-in-law is dying right now".. "I'm almost done."

[AeWingnut]

so anyone catch what was going on in Oakland California?

[Suffolk Shippers]

This is a really pathetic case, IMO. Cops work a thankless and dangerous job but they should be aware enough to asses a situation like this vs. a truly dangerous and/or reckless situation. Steve said it well previously that the cops are here to "protect and serve" and I add, they are on the job on our dime.

While it is true that when all is equal, the police have the command of the community there are in. However, they serve on the taxpayers dime, and as a taxpayer, I want the cops in my community to do their jobs. I expect when people go astray of the law they are arrested or fined as they should be. But, when a situation calls for compassion, I expect cops should be able to see that and act upon it. Do we think if this was a guy hustling his pregnant wife to the maternity ward this would have had the same outcome? In my eyes, it's the same type of situation, and cops should be able to see that, and I trust most do. The fact that Ryan Moats in black is all the more disturbing, because you have to believe profiling was involved.

I read this Moats article and one I will paste below in the course of a few days. Basically, there are so many zoning ordinances on sex offenders in Miami-Dade County, that the only place some of them can live and not be in violation is under a bridge. Humans forced to live under a bridge by overzealous politicians trying to look "tough" on crime. Is this the kind of country we live in now a days, where cops profile black guys trying to get a final minute in with dying relatives and we pass laws to force people who have paid their debt to society to live under a bridge?

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...icleid=1161620

[Suffolk Shippers]

Looks like the badge in question has had some previous run ins...notably, Zach Thomas' wife:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...icleid=1162188

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Looks like the badge in question has had some previous run ins...notably, Zach Thomas' wife:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...icleid=1162188

moral of the story. Keep your proof of insurance and registration in the car and get your license updated when you move. Suspect towing cars for lack of insurance is a $$$ maker for TX. This cop may be a little gun happy though.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah lets hold officers to high moral standards and continue to pay them pennies on the dollar. You know, because life is f.ucking grand when you're making around $35,000/year. I mean who wouldn't be happy as a motherf.ucker with a great job like that and 3 kids and a stay at home wife living in a s.hitty duplex.

It's not like that everywhere. Cops in NYC get paid well, and basically if you can stand up straight and blink, you get a badge. Then they go patrol the city picking up loiterers and smokers and turnstile jumpers to fill their quotas instead of addressing real crimes.

Well yeah.

A Dallas cop starts out at 41k. That sucks. I'd give people grief too if I worked a dangerous job for that kind of pay.

Originally Posted by Kasept

find out what it feels like to be a black man in America.

Forget the cop stuff.
Just look at the statement above.

Anyone who does not think there is a diff. is
lying to themselves. And its not just the white man
keepin "us" down. Its the African American family
unit as well. imo this is the biggest problem.
Father family figure absent is a horrible problem.

And it still is not cool to be black and smart.
Hopefully the above will change.
We have a huge problem when fully 2/3 of black kids
are reading below grade level by 4th grade and it
just gets worse after that.
Its tough for African American fathers to read
to their children when they are not around.

A question must be asked about why African American
fathers leave the family so frequently compared to
other ethnic groups.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

moral of the story. Keep your proof of insurance and registration in the car and get your license updated when you move. Suspect towing cars for lack of insurance is a $$$ maker for TX. This cop may be a little gun happy though.

Moral of the story:
You dont need to throw a women in jail for 3 hours for a U-turn.
A little gunhappy...

Yes indeed, just a little.
The guy is an idiot.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Forget the cop stuff.
Just look at the statement above.

Anyone who does not think there is a diff. is
lying to themselves. And its not just the white man
keepin "us" down. Its the African American family
unit as well. imo this is the biggest problem.
Father family figure absent is a horrible problem.

And it still is not cool to be black and smart.
Hopefully the above will change.
We have a huge problem when fully 2/3 of black kids
are reading below grade level by 4th grade and it
just gets worse after that.
Its tough for African American fathers to read
to their children when they are not around.

A question must be asked about why African American
fathers leave the family so frequently compared to
other ethnic groups.

Some fathers were never there to start with and it is just part of the cycle of repeated teenage mothers who never knew what a good man was supposed to be , so they had nothing to draw on . Still I have a hard time believing that this whole thing was race related but maybe it was , I just think this cop is a jerk and needs to sit behind a desk and not be allowed to deal with the public.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you are judging in a racist manner by saying that he is racist. You are judging the cop on a certain standard simply because he is white. As I said before you can be a bad cop, bad person or just a total jackoff and not be racist. It IS racist to assume that the cop's actions were motivated by race with no other evidence to back that up.

And while I am sure that there are already rules concerning racial profiling those are the kinds of things that actually wind up helping the defense lawyers of bad guys get off rather than really stopping the abuse. You cant legislate morality. Racism sucks but making issues of race in every black/white encounter doesnt help.

O.K., I will give you a situation that took place about 15 years ago. I had this Red Dodge Stealth(engine blew about 3 years later...notice how you don't see many anymore?) This Black dude wanted to drive it on the way back from somewhere. So, I sat in the passenger seat. We were almost home when a cop passed us going the opposite direction. So, we parked in the driveway. The cop drives up, and he gets out. He asked me "Is that your car?" I said "yes," and the cop got back in his car. Then, he just drove away. I think they would usually say "You 2 fit a description blah, blah, blah," but maybe he was in a hurry.

[DerbyCat]

Scuds, your story hits home - there isn't a cop on the street that doesn't *profile*, although it's not as racist as civilians make it out to be, I think it really is more socio-economic (and there are more poor minorities in big cities)... when I was going through FTO (field training) with the San Jose PD, I drove past a hispanic guy straddling a bike and talking with a guy who was drinking a beer in the driveway of the guys house (or so I assumed). My Training Officer asked me, "don't you think you should stop and talk to those guys?" I asked, "why should I?" His reply was, "a grown man wearing anything other that those silly tight riding shorts and riding an expensive bike is only riding a bike because he doesn't have a license. His license was probably suspended, maybe for a drug violation or maybe he has a warrant. Your PC (probable cause) for the stop is the guy drinking the beer in public." My reply to him was, "So, based on your logic, a cop would have reasonable cause to question my father who lives in Los Altos (an upper-middle class town in the Bay Area) for drinking a glass of wine in his yard while he was talking to the neighbor who was on his oldest son's bike because he was testing it out after repairing the chain." My T.O.'s reply was, "only if your Dad looks like a dirtbag."

Another time I stopped a black guy who was driving through a hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales. I never saw him stop or talk with anyone, he was just driving through in the middle of the day. My PC for the stop? Faded month tab on his license plate. I walked up to his car, explained my reason for the stop, explained that the neighborhood was known for drug activity and asked if I could search his car. He said he appreciated my polite request but he'd had enough cops search his car and they always tore it up and never found anything, so he was saying "no" to my request. I told him that without his approval (and without seeing anything illegal in plain sight in his car) I couldn't search his vehicle. I was back at my patrol writing a fix-it-ticket when a senior officer at the scene decided he didn't need permission so he walked up to the guy and told him, "I'm searching your car, move out of my way" and proceeded to trash the car - Result: no drugs found. Black guy drives away with a ticket and a messed up car, but he never complained to HQ, must have just figured it was a price for being "black in America".

These are just a few of the reasons why I'm no longer a cop.

[alysheba4]

Uncle

[MaTH716]

The officer resigned.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033626

[ninetoone]

I love happy endings.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

Another time I stopped a black guy who was driving through a hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales. I never saw him stop or talk with anyone, he was just driving through in the middle of the day. My PC for the stop? Faded month tab on his license plate. I walked up to his car, explained my reason for the stop, explained that the neighborhood was known for drug activity and asked if I could search his car. He said he appreciated my polite request but he'd had enough cops search his car and they always tore it up and never found anything, so he was saying "no" to my request. I told him that without his approval (and without seeing anything illegal in plain sight in his car) I couldn't search his vehicle. I was back at my patrol writing a fix-it-ticket when a senior officer at the scene decided he didn't need permission so he walked up to the guy and told him, "I'm searching your car, move out of my way" and proceeded to trash the car - Result: no drugs found. Black guy drives away with a ticket and a messed up car, but he never complained to HQ, must have just figured it was a price for being "black in America".

These are just a few of the reasons why I'm no longer a cop.

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town

ooops

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town

ooops

Jesus, where do you live? Hazzard County .

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Jesus, where do you live? Hazzard County .

I was leaving Chicago headed home on 116

it makes perfect sense
really
it does

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town

ooops

I can give you a couple towns near Chicago where the cops will let you slide BECAUSE your name ends in a vowel as long as it's not one of those Mexicani names. Another hint I got a long time ago from a cop was if you don't want to be pulled over DON'T wear a baseball hat (especially backwards), have anything hanging from the mirror, be out driving after 1am or have bumper stickers UNLESS they say Child on Board or My Kid is a Honor Student at .....

There are ways to stealth your profile.

Gives me an idea for the 'Ole white lady' driver's mask to be selliing soon in a liquor store/head shop near you.

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I've been pulled over (twice) because my name ends in a vowel
yes, they asked to search
it was 3 am
and I didn't have a gun so I said yes to the search
man... he looked twice at everything and said things like, "that's a funny place for a gas tank"

WTF

I kept waiting for him to reach in his pocket and pull out a packet of powder and claim to find it.

That actually happened and the cop got busted. the kid was the son of some cop in another town



ooops

1. How in the hell would the police know your name ends in a vowel without stopping you? Is your name stenciled under your zodiac sign in the rear window?

2. I just rechecked the dictionary just to be sure. "Retard" does not end in a vowel.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pgardn

A question must be asked about why African American
fathers leave the family so frequently compared to
other ethnic groups.

The question needs to be asked? Does it really? Figure it out with a little history applied as leverage.