vick in philly

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Danzig

micheal vick had plenty of issues before the dogfighting came to light. maybe he's learned after the last few years, or maybe ron mexico will be in the press again?

Never said he didnt have earlier issues, but they had NOTHING to do with dividing a team in the locker room. This team's core group of guys is too good to let Vick's past spike a wedge between it. Now, if he was in everyone's ear about things, trying to clamor up support from certain guys and giving the cold shoulder to others, like T.O., then I'd say we have a problem. We don't have that though. What we have is a top 5 team, even with 2nd team O-linemen and middle linebacker.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Never said he didnt have earlier issues, but they had NOTHING to do with dividing a team in the locker room. This team's core group of guys is too good to let Vick's past spike a wedge between it. Now, if he was in everyone's ear about things, trying to clamor up support from certain guys and giving the cold shoulder to others, like T.O., then I'd say we have a problem. We don't have that though. What we have is a top 5 team, even with 2nd team O-linemen and middle linebacker.

i have a hard time believing all his teams had no problem with him flipping off their ticket buyers...but, whatever-not my problem since, thankfully, my team didn't take him.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i have a hard time believing all his teams had no problem with him flipping off their ticket buyers...but, whatever-not my problem since, thankfully, my team didn't take him.

Don't mix issues that the owners or public relations staffs might have had problems with what the players themselves have problems with. Players around the league are overwhelmingly in support of Vick.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Don't mix issues that the owners or public relations staffs might have had problems with what the players themselves have problems with. Players around the league are overwhelmingly in support of Vick.

like i said, he's not on my team, so i don't care.

[Smooth Operator]

Vick did his time ... and if a stand-up guy like Dungy feels that he deserves a second chance, that's more than good enough for me.

Seems like some people on these various internet message boards want to put dogs on the same level as human beings ... which is ridiculous.


People need to lay off the guy and let him play some ball...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Maybe I am. Or maybe, to me, they are just dogs. What bothered me was the stupidity on his part.

Just Dogs? Dogs are indeed bred to be man's best friend. They are bred to love you as much as is genetically possible. They select for that. Try getting a fkn wolf to come to you. You'll see a huge difference. DOGS ARE BRED TO LOVE PEOPLE (even the dogs that people breed to fight.) Try getting any other killer animal to love humans. It's hard, because they haven't been bred for that. He didn't go out and kill something that had no natural affection for him(cows, deer etc.) He killed dogs that naturally liked him. Dogs usually like people, and especially the ones that feed them. They simply aren't bred for us to kill. They are domesticated animals. I'm not saying it'd be great if he killed wolves, but at least he wouldn't be killing something bred to be his friend. Something bred to be as much like people as can be selected for. They are very smart. They reason. They show affection. They protect their people. They are bred to love (and protect) people. They aren't bred for sick people to get their rocks off watching them suffer.

[Danzig]

funny, i read in the same thread that people are elevating humans above dogs-now, they're 'just' dogs. either way, vick is a convicted felon. i'd imagine if a convicted felon came in to just about anyone on here's job and asked for an application, the thought about a 'second chance' wouldn't apply...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Gotta love feigned outrage.

It's a "liberal" thing

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Maybe I am. Or maybe, to me, they are just dogs. What bothered me was the stupidity on his part.

Thats REALLY f'd up... its okay to torture and hang and electrocute animals.. wow

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Personally I don't think it makes any sense. They were a defensive stop away from going to the Super Bowl last year. I just don't understand how he makes that team better.
It's absolutely amazing the lack of respect that McNabb gets down there.

it makes tons of sense with the shortage of QB's. 1.6 mil. for a year plus hes a great bargaining chip for next year if some OTHER team is in need for a QB. the eagles are going to make out on this deal as long as he stays healthy and OUT of trouble. it was a shrewd move by them! yes, what he did was WRONG. but, he did 2 years in the pokey, he paid the price. people get in cars drunk, kill someone else, and get less time. some of these pedophiles get less than 2 years. the guy did 2 years ,THATS NO JOKE! is he supposed to be doomed for life due to dog fighting? its one of the reasons the jails are full. no one will hire these people when they get out! lucky for him hes a football player! the eagles were smart, someone was going to get him and whether he stays or not. they will probably come out ahead in this move.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Thats REALLY f'd up... its okay to torture and hang and electrocute animals.. wow

That didn't say that it was ok. I never said that. I only said that not everyone feels the same way them. Same as a horse can break down and not everyone is going to be in tears but a horse lover might be. I just think that dog lovers have every right to be outraged at what he did and those of us that don't care about them don't have a right to say they shouldn't be. But it goes both ways.

[Gander]

I dont think it takes a dog lover to be disgusted over what Vick did. I'm not a dog lover and the guy makes me cringe. Hes obviously a sick person and I doubt is any better now. I dont really think hes that remorseful over what he did to many living creatures, I think hes more remorseful over the fact he got nabbed and had to throw away 2 years of doing what he loves to do, earning multi millions in the process.

As far as being able to play, well in my opinion he should. A guy like this is probably better off being able to work and be distracted. Its only football, nothing but entertainment. No different to me than making movies and how many actors/actresses would we have left to make movies if their jobs were taken away from doing hideous things? Its not like this guy is a jockey or a Doctor, where what he does so adamantly affects others. Hes only a football player.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I guarantee you one thing. Someone that can kill dogs that way can stomach doing the same to people. That's the biggest part of this that gets swept under the rug. Yes, he feels badly about getting caught, and embarrassing himself (and a lot of people.) He has learned (from others) that this is not acceptable. When he was doing it, the many sounds of suffering that he would of been hearing? O.K., most people would want to (naturally) avoid those. We didn't have to be taught to avoid this. We would be disgusted by it. You have to ask yourself who would like these sounds? Killers like these sounds. Believe me, if he liked that, he would like the sounds of suffering from humans, too. So, just remember this man is not right inside. I'm sure he wishes he was, but he isn't. There is nothing "natural" inside of him telling him that killing dogs or people is disgusting. He has had to learn that it's wrong. It didn't come this way. It's an add-on. The reason many of his fellow players are so happy to welcome him back is (quite honestly) they have the same problem (inside of them.)

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I guarantee you one thing. Someone that can kill dogs that way can stomach doing the same to people. That's the biggest part of this that gets swept under the rug. Yes, he feels badly about getting caught, and embarrassing himself (and a lot of people.) He has learned (from others) that this is not acceptable. When he was doing it, the many sounds of suffering that he would of been hearing? O.K., most people would want to (naturally) avoid those. We didn't have to be taught to avoid this. We would be disgusted by it. You have to ask yourself who would like these sounds? Killers like these sounds. Believe me, if he liked that, he would like the sounds of suffering from humans, too. So, just remember this man is not right inside. I'm sure he wishes he was, but he isn't. There is nothing "natural" inside of him telling him that killing dogs or people is disgusting. He has had to learn that it's wrong. It didn't come this way. It's an add-on. The reason many of his fellow players are so happy to welcome him back is (quite honestly) they have the same problem (inside of them.)

lol. So now I want to kill people.

[Cannon Shell]

Scuds, Turkish horse in Saratoga's last!!!

[Gander]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I guarantee you one thing. Someone that can kill dogs that way can stomach doing the same to people. That's the biggest part of this that gets swept under the rug. Yes, he feels badly about getting caught, and embarrassing himself (and a lot of people.) He has learned (from others) that this is not acceptable. When he was doing it, the many sounds of suffering that he would of been hearing? O.K., most people would want to (naturally) avoid those. We didn't have to be taught to avoid this. We would be disgusted by it. You have to ask yourself who would like these sounds? Killers like these sounds. Believe me, if he liked that, he would like the sounds of suffering from humans, too. So, just remember this man is not right inside. I'm sure he wishes he was, but he isn't. There is nothing "natural" inside of him telling him that killing dogs or people is disgusting. He has had to learn that it's wrong. It didn't come this way. It's an add-on. The reason many of his fellow players are so happy to welcome him back is (quite honestly) they have the same problem (inside of them.)

Scuds, you have many great points here. Its fairly common knowledge that many serial killers start out killing animals first. Many of these guys who get caught turn out to have had animal abuse/slaughter in their past as children and young adulthood.

Now, not saying most kids/adults who grow up or start out abusing animals go on to humans...but doesnt it make just a little sense that people that are capable (and take pleasure in it) of killing animals for the fun/enjoyment of it are a bit more likely to be able to actual kill a human being?

The NFL is a good place for a guy like Vick. If he couldnt make a living slinging a football, he would be forced to find other ways to do it, and they could be worrisome for others. Keep in in there. Who knows, maybe one of these defensive linemen may turn out to be a dog lover and want to take out Vick. That would be...

[King Glorious]

Since I want to kill people, I think I know who I want to start with. Forget dogs. I'm going pro.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Since I want to kill people, I think I know who I want to start with. Forget dogs. I'm going pro.

Its fairly common knowledge, and hardly unbelievable.

http://www.helpinganimals.com/ga_humanAbuse.asp

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

Its fairly common knowledge, and hardly unbelievable.

http://www.helpinganimals.com/ga_humanAbuse.asp

I don't disagree with you. But you also didn't say it's automatic. Saying that someone that could do that has a higher propensity to take it further is true. Saying that someone that could do it WOULD also do the other is just stupid.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't disagree with you. But you also didn't say it's automatic. Saying that someone that could do that has a higher propensity to take it further is true. Saying that someone that could do it WOULD also do the other is just stupid.

You know what I meant (in bold). I dont think Vick needs to be placed on high alert for the potential of killing a human. I think what most people agree to (whether you like or dislike dogs), it takes a very sick individual to be able to committ that kind of abuse to an animal, and going further to actually take pleasure in it and view it as an accepted lifestyle is just plain insane.

Hey King, hows your jump shot?