8/30 (SAR): Personal Ensign (G1)

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I can't believe that in the last five minutes, I've read people making arguments that Past the Point could be a legit opponent for Rachel and that Icon Project can beat Zenyatta.

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

Not at all.

Stardom Bound stunk... she was slow and beat nothing fields in unimpressive fashion.

all of IP's dirt races have been huge and Zeyatta would have to find a lot better.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

Zenyatta is not in the top 10 female horses this year.........dont you read this message board, get a clue.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not at all.



Zeyatta would have to find a lot better.

Are you using the synthetic figures to make that statement?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

She was coming off of a loss to Swift Temper. While Swift Temper is a decent horse, she's not in Zenyatta's class either.

Anyone who saw the Del Cap and has even the slightest bit of a clue knows which horse was much the best that day.

If anyone, for even one second, thinks that Zenyatta had a tougher trip against Anoyabab's Creation than Icon Project did against a very solid horse in Swift Temper .. they simply have no clue what they're talking about.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Are you using the synthetic figures to make that statement?

What is with you and your speed figure obsession?

Of course not.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What is with you and your speed figure obsession?

Of course not.

what are you using as a gauge, her run 10 starts ago at Oaklawn?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yes ... obviously.

Based on synthetic form, there is no conclusive proof that Zenyatta is better now than she was at that time.

In fact, I took a lot of flack for saying Zenyatta was better than Nashoba's Key at the time.

Her dirt race at Oaklawn also wasn't as good as a lot of people seem to think.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

I forgot that King Glorious liked SB to win the Derby ...

This post was way more clever than I first thought.

[tector]

So we have a theoretically possible Beldame of RA, Zenyatta, Icon Project and Careless Jewel.

I know it won't happen, but as far daydreaming goes, it is better than a lot of stuff I've read around here.

We'll be lucky to get 2 of the 4.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes ... obviously.

Based on synthetic form, there is no conclusive proof that Zenyatta is better now than she was at that time.

In fact, I took a lot of flack for saying Zenyatta was better than Nashoba's Key at the time.

Her dirt race at Oaklawn also wasn't as good as a lot of people seem to think.

so where would you rank her in terms of the filly horses, you know based on talent?

[CSC]

In my opinion Careless Jewell is a very exciting prospect and most likely the next best filly in the game, however I wouldn't throw her to the wolves of Zenyatta and RA just yet, she's only had 2 races on dirt and is still relatively early in her progression. Get her battle ready with a few more races and then take on the big girls, she won't disgrace herself.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

2 horses.... QR and now her. I still beleive QR is that good. Rachel has done nothing at 1 1/4... Im sure she is just as good at the distance, but that does not take away from what IP has done. I think your being a bit unfair with the last 2 sentences. If you choose to do that, then fine. Im just discussing the horses.

and careless jewel...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31349

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I understand that we have gotten pretty bored with watching Zenyatta run the same race over and over again but let's get a grip here. She's still VERY good. Icon Project ran a nice race today but she's not in Zenyatta's class. She's won one dirt race. Don't tell me about the NY Hcp. That was a field of grass horses running in the mud. She was coming off of a loss to Swift Temper. While Swift Temper is a decent horse, she's not in Zenyatta's class either.

I can't believe that in the last five minutes, I've read people making arguments that Past the Point could be a legit opponent for Rachel and that Icon Project can beat Zenyatta.

Its almost as hysterical as people saying Rachel wasnt running in the Travers for fear of Quality Road. That her camp was ducking a horse who had run only once since the FL Derby and at 6 1/2 F. I'd be more scared to run against the Cool Coal Man than QR.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Zenyatta is not in the top 10 female horses this year.........dont you read this message board, get a clue.

Please note that my response was extremely tongue in cheek. Perhaps I'm not the one who needs to get a clue.

[tector]

Originally Posted by CSC

In my opinion Careless Jewell is a very exciting prospect and most likely the next best filly in the game, however I wouldn't throw her to the wolves of Zenyatta and RA just yet, she's only had 2 races on dirt and is still relatively early in her progression. Get her battle ready with a few more races and then take on the big girls, she won't disgrace herself.

Well all that remains to be seen, but she and IP Beyered out the same (106). CJ can't win the 3yo filly award, but taking down one of the top two would not be impossible and I don't see how it would "ruin" her to try, if given the chance. Sometimes you just have to face a top horse and try your best. If the hypothetical Beldame where to come to pass, I'd see nothing wrong with her giving it shot--RA would be at the end of a long, ambitious campaign and Zenyatta has raced tomato cans on chewed up credit cards all year. And, as you say, CJ is moving forward. Hell, I might bet her myself at 8-1 or 10-1, which is where she'd be in Beldame that included those four.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

You will note that even though I had Stardom Bound on top, it was during her winning streak and even then, I had Rachel as the #2 3yo in the country, male or female. As soon as Stardom Bound lost, I reevaluated. Soon as Rachel won the Oaks, I posted about how STUPID I was to ever believe Stardom Bound could beat her. See, that's the difference with me and some of these others. I may have an opinion on something but when I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and take shots at myself. Most others on here never reevaluate their positions. If a horse doesn't do what they expected, they just look into the book of 1000 excuses to explain it away and hold onto their position. I won't. I'll just tell you my horse sucked and I was stupid from the start.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You will note that even though I had Stardom Bound on top, it was during her winning streak and even then, I had Rachel as the #2 3yo in the country, male or female. As soon as Stardom Bound lost, I reevaluated. Soon as Rachel won the Oaks, I posted about how STUPID I was to ever believe Stardom Bound could beat her. See, that's the difference with me and some of these others. I may have an opinion on something but when I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and take shots at myself. Most others on here never reevaluate their positions. If a horse doesn't do what they expected, they just look into the book of 1000 excuses to explain it away and hold onto their position. I won't. I'll just tell you my horse sucked and I was stupid from the start.

I know, I just like to bust ba**s...

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You will note that even though I had Stardom Bound on top, it was during her winning streak and even then, I had Rachel as the #2 3yo in the country, male or female. As soon as Stardom Bound lost, I reevaluated. Soon as Rachel won the Oaks, I posted about how STUPID I was to ever believe Stardom Bound could beat her. See, that's the difference with me and some of these others. I may have an opinion on something but when I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and take shots at myself. Most others on here never reevaluate their positions. If a horse doesn't do what they expected, they just look into the book of 1000 excuses to explain it away and hold onto their position. I won't. I'll just tell you my horse sucked and I was stupid from the start.

You give up on horses way too easily King. Case in point Rail Trip who you touted when he was on his win streak then you bashed when he lost. You called him a POS. Then he won in brilliant fashion last time out.