P Val in Trouble Again

[2MinsToPost]

Yes you are correct in that cocaine is water soluble and goes thru the system fast but not in 24 hours, at the minimum if a person does a "line" no matter what their size or metabolism it takes a min of 72 hours to flush thru the system where a urine test will not pick up any amount. Their are different urine tests, don't know which one they use.

This whole thing about P Val is atypical of a sick person who is an addict and cares less about himself then others around him. Sad, but life goes on. He will be faced with a choice

Do you want to end up in jail or prison? Dead? Homeless? All of the above?

If you come clean and stay that way you will have a chance at life, otherwise one of the above will be a reality. Or more.

Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

PVal's drug of choice was coke which will come up negative on a urine test 1-3 days after ingestion. Given how fast a jockey's metabolism is by nature, it would be towards shorter duration.

from what i read after Pval failed to show for the Del Mar meet claiming a back injury....the CHRB came to his house and took 2 urine tests which would be 3-4 days after the Hollywood meet concluded. They then tried to return a third time for a hair folicle test which would show signs of use for a month plus. He was then unavailable and apparently in a hospital for undisclosed reasons. For the CHRB to come for the hair folicle test after the negetive urine tests they obviously had some angle they were working to warrant more testing.
Said hospital is now known to be a mental health and substance abuse facility in Pasadena.

Regardless I hope he gets well. I still hope to see him and Nakatani throw blows in front of the winner circle at Santa Anita one day..... dare to dream.

Originally Posted by Scav

They have been in the game probably since it started. It is a part that is never going away.

That is the wrong attitude to have....MLB is rightfully taking the position that Barry Bonds is not bigger than the game or above the law, and horse racing has the obligation to protect it's integrity and take the same stance with P Val...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That is the wrong attitude to have....MLB is rightfully taking the position that Barry Bonds is not bigger than the game or above the law, and horse racing has the obligation to protect it's integrity and take the same stance with P Val...

Come on, do you really think steriods are out of baseball? Baseball LET IT go on to recover from the strike.

Cheats/crooks/addicts are always one step ahead until they hit rock bottom.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont think the CHRB has stated anything. I think this is all specualtion. So the CHRB hasnt done anything wrong. Plus I wouldnt go to a facility in KY--lol.

The CHRB has discussed it publicly. There was an article in the LA Times about it yesterday.

[Danzig]

oracle, the thing is that pval agreed to those terms with the CHRB so he could get his license back, oh about three or so violations ago....he said yes, you can test me at any time. refusal by him in itself is enough for them to strip his license. is it fair? NO, i'd never have agreed to all that. but he did....yeah, it stinks, but it's the deal he made.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Patrick Valenzuela looks like he is in trouble again. He's in a mental health and drug treatment facility right now. When the CHRB learned about it, they asked him to submit to a drug test but he he was unavailable. That is grounds for an automatic revocation of his license. The CHRB has not decided what they're go to do yet. They won't decide until they talk to Patrick and find out what he has to say but I think he's in trouble. The condition that he was given when he got his license reinstated was that he had to submit to a drug test at any time he was asked. I think he's going to be suspended again and possibly get his license revoked.

I think I heard something to the effect of they cant make him submit a sample because he is considered protected by the treatment facility, I dont if this is a fact its just what I heard.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I find the whole thing with PVal to be a direct violation of his constitutional rights. I know of no company or job where they come in to your home and test you whenever they feel like it. As far as him being in a mental health and rehab center, he obviously relapsed and put HIMSELF in the center knowing it would KO him probably for good. It was his choice, it wasn't forced. Means he knows hes sick and wanted to get better.
YOU can bet your ass if one of the guys or gals on that board did the same thing that it would be a "personal matter", as it should be between Dr. and patient. Robin WIlliams just checked into an alcohol and rehab center and I doubt that any studios will be not using him in movies when he gets out. Brett Favre was once addicted to painkillers and got help.
The added pressure of being under a microscope like that has definitely affected Pval. Like I said, show me a profession where they can come into your house and test you whenever they like. Its my feeling that what people do on their own time is their own business. If they show up for work sober and do their job, let the law enforcement officials handle any criminal acts or investigations.
The guy obviously needs help and ought to be commended for checking himself in to a clinic even though he knew it would knock him out for life. Know what could happen? I will tell you what could happen, he could get a gig with Coolmore or the Sheikh to ride in Europe or Dubai. They can't enforce US rulings there if they choose not to. I don't think anyone here has never screwed up and I bet we all are glad that noone comes to our houses to check out how we are living. This isn't the old communist Soviet Union here, this is the USA. Dr's and lawyers aren't even subjected to this type of scrutiny, but jockeys are? Does this not seem a little screwed up to anyone besides me? I don't know a single owner or trainer who knows this guy(I have never even met him) who has said a bad word about him. He apparently is enthusiastic with the owners and tries his ass off on every mount whether it be a claimer or a stakes horse. Its also always neat to watch him turn around his mount down the backside after a win, he pets the horse and slaps them on the neck all the way back to winners circle saying good job. I've never seen a single jockey do that other than Pval, not one. The guy obviously loves the animals he rides.
Its real sad, and the guy is the most tragic case of wasted talent I have ever seen. But hes got an addiction that I bet he wishes every morning that he didn't have. Hes never been accused of chicanery, and hes never hurt anyone but himself. Getting down on a guy whose just lost what he loves the most and his living is not for me. Wishing a guy like that ill will when hes already suffering is not what most people are all about, especially when the guy has never hurt anyone.

Here's the thing, he agreed to be tested anywhere , anytime any place, so they are in no way violating his rights, he signed the agreement because he wanted to ride and make money . He knew what he signed up for , he also knows how to beat the system, and up until now Im sure he has been. I can almost promise you he drank bottles of urine cleaner daily, you drink it and in one hour you are clean for up to 4 hours. I would guess that he consulted his lawyer before he went into re-hab to find out what kind of rights the CHRB had to test him before he went in. He is no dummy, and if there is one loophole anywhere Pat is going to find it. I wish him luck in trying once again to get clean , but I wouldnt put any money on it.

[2MinsToPost]

One note about the "Urine Cleaners", most tests that are given pick up the chemicals that are in those. Only the cheapest tests don't pick those up, which is typically where you pee in a cup and it gives you the result immediately.

Originally Posted by Honu

Here's the thing, he agreed to be tested anywhere , anytime any place, so they are in no way violating his rights, he signed the agreement because he wanted to ride and make money . He knew what he signed up for , he also knows how to beat the system, and up until now Im sure he has been. I can almost promise you he drank bottles of urine cleaner daily, you drink it and in one hour you are clean for up to 4 hours. I would guess that he consulted his lawyer before he went into re-hab to find out what kind of rights the CHRB had to test him before he went in. He is no dummy, and if there is one loophole anywhere Pat is going to find it. I wish him luck in trying once again to get clean , but I wouldnt put any money on it.

[Slewbopper]

[quote=oracle80]Then hes gotta have his dr./patient privacy violated? This is wrong, plain and simple wrong. QUOTE]

Pat V knows what is expected of him because of past transgressions. Dr/patient is merely an excuse to hide that he is not living up to his agreed upon terms with the CHRB.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

One note about the "Urine Cleaners", most tests that are given pick up the chemicals that are in those. Only the cheapest tests don't pick those up, which is typically where you pee in a cup and it gives you the result immediately.

You are wrong, go to this website Passyourtest.com. You will be amazed at the stuff they have even for hair samples.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Honu

You are wrong, go to this website Passyourtest.com. You will be amazed at the stuff they have even for hair samples.

I mean no offense by this but this is an area that I know I am knowledgable in. Look, I will pm you the reason why, and a few of the people on this board know this to be true.

What I do not know is what kind of test is being administered. If I knew that, then I could tell you a lot more and speak about facts, not guessing.

I can tell you AS FACT that the best tests will pick up the cleaners. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I have seen it with my own eyes on several occasions. One man was sent to jail for 6 months because of those "so called quick fixes". I knew this man well, he was in our group last year. Was a cocaine user, and played around with weed. Those cleaners are no joke and for those that want to risk their livliehood, their freedom be my guest but don't call me when you get locked up or are fired.