obama demands vote on health care..

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sorry, but i feel your incessant use of 'o'dumbass' is juvenile. it doesn't make you or your comments look serious. or maybe that's just me. as for the rest, i don't want to see our country go down the tubes. but i also don't think one person, or one small group of people can cause that.

How big is Congress, again?.....1500 people?

[sham]

Though previously used, I suspect that 'Deeming' has never been tested in the Supreme Court. I'll bet it will be tested if healthcare passes using this tactic.

From my novice point of view, it would appear to be unconstitutional in that a bill (identical language, not even as much as a single comma difference) must be voted on by both houses and passed (with ayes and nays recorded by name) before that bill can be presented to the president for his signature. The president then signs it into law or vetoes the measure and it would then be sent back to congress. The constitution is very clear and makes no mention of anything resembling a method by which a bill may be deemed to be passed.

Since I'm now working on my income taxes for 2009 and it looks like I owe, I may DEEM them to have been paid and save a few hundred bucks.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

The above is not true. The above is an inaccurate description of passing the reconciliation passages with the bill. It is spin, and some of the news media isn't helping by calling it passing without a vote. It is simply voting on the reconciliation as the same time as the Senate bill.

Here is a detailed explaination: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...th-care/37540/

PS, the GOP has used the same procedure in the past on bills, so it has happened before.

i don't think he's talking about reconciliation, but about 'deem and pass'.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

How big is Congress, again?.....1500 people?

you are joking, right? i thought everyone knew this? 435 reps, 100 senators.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think he's talking about reconciliation, but about 'deem and pass'.

Yes, that is what the article I posted talked about. Same thing. I agree it's confusing. Especially when the media isn't making it clear.

The Senate health reform bill - already passed with a supermajority - will be voted upon- unchanged - by the House (the passed House bill is done, the Senate will not vote upon that).

Within the same vote will be the House passing it's reconciliation package to that Senate bill. With the vote on these two items (one package voted upon), the Senate bill will be "Deemed" passed by the House, unchanged. At the same time, the reconciliations the House wants will be passed.

Then, the reconciliations go back to the Senate for a vote. Either way, the Senate bill has been passed, unchanged, by the House. It can either then be reconciled, or go straight to the Pres for signature unchanged. The House wants to make changes, thus the reconciliations starting there.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you are joking, right? i thought everyone knew this? 435 reps, 100 senators.

sorry...I was counting the czars and their staff also

[SOREHOOF]

What is the big rush? Reeks of no confidence. The Dems in the House don't trust the Dems in the Senate., but they want us to trust them?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

What is the big rush? Reeks of no confidence. The Dems in the House don't trust the Dems in the Senate., but they want us to trust them?

Big rush? We've been dinking around with this for a year. Help us, pass it, and get back to eliminating and crippling Al Quaida!

[SOREHOOF]

Didn't Holder just say that Bin Laden would never be taken?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Didn't Holder just say that Bin Laden would never be taken?

dont confuse her with the facts!

[Nascar1966]

With all the deals this shady SOB of a President has made. Unfortunately we have to deal this worthless piece of **** until 2013. He would make a great host for Lets Makes A Deal in 2013. Hopefully the American public will wake and realize he is the biggest disgrace of a President that this great country of ours has had.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Didn't Holder just say that Bin Laden would never be taken?

He said never taken alive

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

With all the deals this shady SOB of a President has made. Unfortunately we have to deal this worthless piece of **** until 2013. He would make a great host for Lets Makes A Deal in 2013. Hopefully the American public will wake and realize he is the biggest disgrace of a President that this great country of ours has had.

I hear he says the same about you

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I hear he says the same about you

candidate for "comeback of the year"

[Riot]

Okay, guys, here it is: the final bill, and the final CBO accounting of cost that came out today. Looks like a Sunday-Monday vote.

The actual bill is at the bottom of this page http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_502543.html

The bottom line - that's 32 million people we no longer will be paying for in our insurance premiums.

Comprehensive health care reform will cost the federal government $940 billion over a ten-year period, but will increase revenue and cut other costs by a greater amount, leading to a reduction of $138 billion in the federal deficit over the same period, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, a Democratic source tells HuffPost. It will cut the deficit by $1.2 trillion over the second ten year period.

The source said it also extends Medicare's solvency by at least nine years and reduces the rate of its growth by 1.4 percent, while closing the doughnut hole for seniors, meaning there will no longer be a gap in coverage of medication. The CBO also estimated it would extend coverage to 32 million additional people.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

The bottom line - that's 32 million people we no longer will be paying for in our insurance premiums.

OK -- let's say you're right. You're not paying for them in your insurance premiums. You're most certainly paying for them a lot more than that in taxation, and interest on huge sums of borrowed money -- at least for as long as China is still willing to lend it.

Of course, the welfare crowd doesn't care in any case because they don't pay for anything. That's left to us suckers who work.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I hear he says the same about you

Im sure he says the same about you also.

[sham]

As some astute person observed--if we can save a trillion in 20 years by insuring 30 million more people, then why not insure all the people in China and completely pay off the national debt? Even better, include India and we will all be rolling in cash. How simple this is.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by sham

As some astute person observed--if we can save a trillion in 20 years by insuring 30 million more people, then why not insure all the people in China and completely pay off the national debt? Even better, include India and we will all be rolling in cash. How simple this is.

That sounds like a great idea since this country is already helping every other country out. Might as well include all the illegals that are in this country. Im sure that will happen if this ridiclous bill is passed. This country is already kissing all the illegal's ass'.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

He said never taken alive

So he endorses murder but not torture?