Monmouth Handle Doubles!

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's only one day. i'd wait a while to see how it all unfolds before declaring it a huge success.

ok. i'm sorry....it was a minor success. whats the difference? success is success vs. they did not change anything and had the same results as last years opening day....then the same people would be saying "monmouth is going under"........the glass is always half empty...a great way to look at life....sorry for being an optimist. oh yeah, it was only one day look at the fields and the players involved....the writing is on the wall. they won't come back next weekend or the one after either when the money starts getting bigger as the summer goes on. it won't take much more and they will surpass last year in no time....won't work, move along, nothing to see here

Originally Posted by Kasept

2009: 11 races, 90 runners, $4,279,438 ($389k/race; $47.5k/horse)
2010: 13 races, 126 runners, $9,357,444 ($720k/race; $74.2k/horse)

Oh so it really didn't double. HUGE FAILURE. They should quit while they are ahead.

2+2 = 5

[Travis Stone]

Opening Day was virtually guaranteed a success giving the hype and buzz surrounding the meet, the pent-up demand of local racing fans who are used to seeing a live race a few weeks earlier and nice weather as well.

What a lot of folks seem to be missing, however, is that this whole plan is about streamlining for an entire summer, not just one day. Day #1 is a good start, but now as the meet wears-on, and the novelty wears-off, what happens? Then we'll know how well this consolidation move worked. It's early to declare it a rousing success, but early indications are certainly positive.

One day a meet does not make.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

2009: 11 races, 90 runners, $4,279,438 ($389k/race; $47.5k/horse)
2010: 13 races, 126 runners, $9,357,444 ($720k/race; $74.2k/horse)

This is the important metric IMO. Race/race comparison.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

2009: 11 races, 90 runners, $4,279,438 ($389k/race; $47.5k/horse)
2010: 13 races, 126 runners, $9,357,444 ($720k/race; $74.2k/horse)

[herkhorse]

Nice. A few more days like that and they could afford to fix their website.

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Not sure understand all the emotion about this. Steven Crist has pointed out Monmouth going to need handle of $10 million a day to make the numbers work.

I guess that means he hates Monmouth too

Hang with it Homer. You are not alone.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

ok. i'm sorry....it was a minor success. whats the difference? success is success vs. they did not change anything and had the same results as last years opening day....then the same people would be saying "monmouth is going under"........the glass is always half empty...a great way to look at life....sorry for being an optimist. oh yeah, it was only one day look at the fields and the players involved....the writing is on the wall. they won't come back next weekend or the one after either when the money starts getting bigger as the summer goes on. it won't take much more and they will surpass last year in no time....won't work, move along, nothing to see here

well, sorry. just stating my opinion. didn't mean to step on any toes. and i'm a half full person as well, but this industry needs far more than one big day at monmouth.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Not sure understand all the emotion about this. Steven Crist has pointed out Monmouth going to need handle of $10 million a day to make the numbers work.

I guess that means he hates Monmouth too

This entire operation is puzzling to me. The objective, apparently is to INCREASE HANDLE. The method utilized is INCREASING purses. The immediate effect is:

1) MORE MONEY for TRAINERS
2) MORE MONEY for TRAINERS
3) MORE MONEY for JOCKEYS

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but most gamblers are probably playing from their homes. So, good quality horses and top jocks are not exactly going to be enough of an enticement to get them out of their homes and over to MTH. And, it follows, neither will bigger purses. I mean, the idea is to find advantages in one's plays and it doesn't necessarily follow that there will be more of them in better quality and probably better matched fields.

So, maybe the way to really increase handle is by giving some to the GAMBLER. ****, everyone else seems to be getting theirs. So how about they cut those purses a bit and then cut takeout a bit. Or, maybe, they go the way of WO and KEE and DMR and get TRAKUS so their data can be as accurate relatively as their fields are good.

This is going to fail. The dirt (and turf) course is NOT a FAIR one. Only the DRF/BEYER old schoolers who thrive on the AQU INNER and the present GP meet will be eating this **** up. Everyone else will be at WO and CRC and other fair tracks.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Day #1 is a good start, but now as the meet wears-on, and the novelty wears-off, what happens?

You comment makes no sense from a horse players perspective, the ones that wager the real money, not the 2 dollar fan who shows up on opening day. How do big fields, lots of multi race sequences with good value wear off after opening day?

Or am I missing what the big players are looking for? I think on a day by day comparison it might be bigger than double the handle, opening days tend to produces bigger numbers then drop off dramatically, I would imagine we dont see the same percentage drop say for next fridays card when compared to last years same day.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This entire operation is puzzling to me. The objective, apparently is to INCREASE HANDLE. The method utilized is INCREASING purses. The immediate effect is:

1) MORE MONEY for TRAINERS
2) MORE MONEY for TRAINERS
3) MORE MONEY for JOCKEYS

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but most gamblers are probably playing from their homes. So, good quality horses and top jocks are not exactly going to be enough of an enticement to get them out of their homes and over to MTH. And, it follows, neither will bigger purses. I mean, the idea is to find advantages in one's plays and it doesn't necessarily follow that there will be more of them in better quality and probably better matched fields.

So, maybe the way to really increase handle is by giving some to the GAMBLER. ****, everyone else seems to be getting theirs. So how about they cut those purses a bit and then cut takeout a bit. Or, maybe, they go the way of WO and KEE and DMR and get TRAKUS so their data can be as accurate relatively as their fields are good.

This is going to fail. The dirt (and turf) course is NOT a FAIR one. Only the DRF/BEYER old schoolers who thrive on the AQU INNER and the present GP meet will be eating this **** up. Everyone else will be at WO and CRC and other fair tracks.

Really?!?
This is about as poor a statement as I've ever heard, especially coming from someone who doesn't like to play chalk.

As for the "fair track" thing... here's a riddle for you:
4th, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 4th, 4th, 6th, 1st, 2nd (T), 2nd, 1st (T), 1st, 11th
1st, 7th (T), 1st, 7th (T), 2nd, 1st (T), 1st, 7th, 2nd, 1st (T), 1st, 1st (T)

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...h-ibboyee-wins

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...h-ibboyee-wins

Crist did his best to cool the heat. I guess he doesn't believe the state(NJ) will A. get another deal done with AC and B. Is willing to invest somemore money into something that was ultra successful even if it wasnt 100% self funding. I think he is dead wrong. NYRA has zero chance of having VLT's on line before 1/1/11 hence they will need 40 plus mil to get thru '10 and '11. The handle at SPA is going to be down a min of 15% and the NYC OTB situation will be festering in courts and Albany forever.. It's a grim immediate future for NYRA and that sux. BUT when you work for state and the state sux you suck

[10 pnt move up]

I dont see how you could be a serious player and NOT be playing this meet. What would be the reason not to play?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont see how you could be a serious player and NOT be playing this meet. What would be the reason not to play?

There isn't any reason not to play, but there is reason to observe and tread lightly... With a rather bizarre mix of outfits melding into the long-established Oceanport crowd, until there is some established form and trends there will be some completely chaotic results that will be undecipherable based on PP's.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There isn't any reason not to play, but there is reason to observe and tread lightly... With a rather bizarre mix of outfits melding into the long-established Oceanport crowd, until there is some established form and trends there will be some completely chaotic results that will be undecipherable based on PP's.

People should be playing names. Who wouldn't be forced to bet a horse whose dam was Hitched to a Star with Dick Vitale as a part owner? That had to be one of the stronger angles on DP the Facilitator in the nightcap yesterday.

NT

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

People should be playing names. Who wouldn't be forced to bet a horse whose dam was Hitched to a Star with Dick Vitale as a part owner? That had to be one of the stronger angles on DP the Facilitator in the nightcap yesterday.

NT

Lot's of regulars simply play whatever Bravo is riding. They must be estatic with the odds they are getting on some of these horses.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There isn't any reason not to play, but there is reason to observe and tread lightly... With a rather bizarre mix of outfits melding into the long-established Oceanport crowd, until there is some established form and trends there will be some completely chaotic results that will be undecipherable based on PP's.

Isn't this exactly why you would WANT to play? The increased probability of a big payoff?

There's nothing more boring to me than the same retreads running against each other over and over again, as well as the most difficult to beat.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

Isn't this exactly why you would WANT to play? The increased probability of a big payoff?

There's nothing more boring to me than the same retreads running against each other over and over again, as well as the most difficult to beat.

It's probably a little of both....though I tend to side with you. I like the increased possibility of chaos. It probably lends itself better to the Monmouth situation where the amount of work necessary to really handicap the card is so burdensome that a more scattered approach probably increases your chances of getting lucky per se.

The shorter priced horses are probably a little less likely to win and the tails are a little fatter.