Why retire her?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

The Triple Crown should be called the Bermuda Triangle. Not every plane or boat that enters disappears, but there's something going on.

Hey, I love it. Love the Derby. Love it all.

No, it shouldn't. I gave you empirical evidence from yesterday and the last three years that shows you're wrong. You have a bunch of anecdotal crap you heard from somebody. It's staggering how little you know about racing.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't see the blimp view so I cannot comment on this, I do know if I were a reporter I wouldn't go up to a world wide press conference and make up something fictitious, I simply don't know and I am just qouting a reporter at face value given that the TVG coverage rightfully focused on the wire to view the entire finish of the field before panning out to the run out pass the wire.

I was sitting past the wire... she never passed him. But, my word doesn't mean much when actual video of the race shows this.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Be honest...you didn't watch her every time she ran this year or at least most of the time? Whether she is challenged or not (and i am totally with you that i hope they challenge her especially on dirt), isn't it still somewhat of a spectacle every time she runs?

What other horse in the last 20 years has drawn the crowds that she does in non-classic or BC events? The longer she runs, the better it could be for racing.

call me crazy, but i'd rather see top horses face off then have one horse taking on a bunch of nothings. yesterday was her first face off with a gr 1 winner. her owners thought before yesterday that she merited hoy consideration- i find that laughable. the best two races this year were when blame met quality road, and yesterdays classic. zenyatta should have broken new ground this year-she should have been in the big cap, the pac classic.

and smarty jones drew more fans to oaklawn to watch him run the belmont on tv than has showed at zenyattas races this year.

[horseofcourse]

The anti-Zenyatta fan people are now adamently talking about gallop out results just to further prove their point yet they are very mad at people who love Zenyatta. Pot-kettle-black. Yeah, lets talk about gallop out results to REALLY prove she is an imposter to our incredible horse racing sensibilities. Look at the gallop out results you silly Zenyatta fans who love her!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The anti-Zenyatta fan people are now adamently talking about gallop out results just to further prove their point yet they are very mad at people who love Zenyatta. Pot-kettle-black. Yeah, lets talk about gallop out results to REALLY prove she is an imposter to our incredible horse racing sensibilities. Look at the gallop out results you silly Zenyatta fans who love her!!

Yeah, that's what happened.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, that's what happened.

I've seen people posting about gallop out results on this thread multiple times as if it actually means anything.

Grass is green. Where am I wrong there....(yes in the winter when it turns brown so I am wrong there.)

Sky is blue...where am I wrong there....(yes, when it is grey in heavy cloud cover...so I am wrong there.)

ARe you onestly telling me people weren't posting about the gallop out after the race??

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

call me crazy, but i'd rather see top horses face off then have one horse taking on a bunch of nothings. yesterday was her first face off with a gr 1 winner. her owners thought before yesterday that she merited hoy consideration- i find that laughable. the best two races this year were when blame met quality road, and yesterdays classic. zenyatta should have broken new ground this year-she should have been in the big cap, the pac classic.

and smarty jones drew more fans to oaklawn to watch him run the belmont on tv than has showed at zenyattas races this year.

Does that mean that You DIDN'T watch a majority of her races this year? And if you didn't would you say that is true for a majority of the board?

Also, the belmont is a classic and you are talking about an undefeated horse going for a triple crown. I was there, 128,000 people deep in the rain. I was also there for Funny Cide and the next year when he won the JCGC in front of like 7,000 people.

When was the last time Zenyatta had a crowd as small as 7k? I agree, they need to challenge her and I said as much earlier. But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

Short-term, sure. Long-term, I really don't think so.

[RockHardTen1985]

Putting everything else aside, I think it would be great if they moved forward with her. Run her till the day she does not fire.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

Yeah, but those people don't bet enough and they make signs with Zenyatta dancing and it is a mockery of the sport and it's integrity. They should like other things and not be fans of her. She was not good for the sport in any way, shape, or form and if she hadn't lost by a nose yesterday, the world would be a far worse place.

Am I learning good on here so far?? I gettin better and smarter now no?? Was this a proper post in the Zenyatta thread stuff??

[ateamstupid]

You're not funny.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Short-term, sure. Long-term, I really don't think so.

I think racing can use all the short term it can get right now. Don't you?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're not funny.

Sure I am. And so are you!! And am I really trying to be funny is the question as well. Do you really know that?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, it shouldn't. I gave you empirical evidence from yesterday and the last three years that shows you're wrong. You have a bunch of anecdotal crap you heard from somebody. It's staggering how little you know about racing.

So, becasue Curlin did great things after the TC, and becasue Fly Down, Paddy O'Prado and LAL finished ahead of Etched, and because Rachel Alexandra (who was NOT pointed for the TC but DID manage to beat Mine That Bird in the Preakness) beat older males once and won HOY, somehow you feel there is no truth to the argument that the rush to make the Derby and the Derby itself take a disproportionately hard toll on many horses who in turn have their careers shortened?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

So, becasue Curlin did great things after the TC, and becasue Fly Down, Paddy O'Prado and LAL finished ahead of Etched, and because Rachel Alexandra (who was NOT pointed for the TC but DID manage to beat Mine That Bird in the Preakness) beat older males once and won HOY, somehow you feel there is no truth to the argument that the rush to make the Derby and the Derby itself take a disproportionately hard toll on many horses who in turn have their careers shortened?

You're the one who made the assertion. I disagreed and gave you a counter argument. You still don't have an original argument. Until you come up with one, you're talking out of your ass as usual.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Does that mean that You DIDN'T watch a majority of her races this year? And if you didn't would you say that is true for a majority of the board?

Also, the belmont is a classic and you are talking about an undefeated horse going for a triple crown. I was there, 128,000 people deep in the rain. I was also there for Funny Cide and the next year when he won the JCGC in front of like 7,000 people.

When was the last time Zenyatta had a crowd as small as 7k? I agree, they need to challenge her and I said as much earlier. But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

yep, i watched. didn't bet a dime, so how does my watching help? i watch racing sometimes for hours, without a big horse on the card. how did it help that all those folks showed up with their stupid z hats and signs? did handle increase? ownership? did the fan base grow?

as for a draw, she is. i didn't say she wasn't. what i said was if they keep her racing, i hope it's to put her where she belongs.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by justindew

So, becasue Curlin did great things after the TC, and becasue Fly Down, Paddy O'Prado and LAL finished ahead of Etched, and because Rachel Alexandra (who was NOT pointed for the TC but DID manage to beat Mine That Bird in the Preakness) beat older males once and won HOY, somehow you feel there is no truth to the argument that the rush to make the Derby and the Derby itself take a disproportionately hard toll on many horses who in turn have their careers shortened?

some, like super saver, had their careers shortened due to breeding purposes. others fall off the trail because they showed they didn't belong. some are due to injury, illness, etc. the thing is, those things may have happened even without pointing to the classics. horses don't run harder because they know more money is on the line. those same injuries, illnesses, and being passed by your peers talentwise would happen regardless if a horse is in stakes, allowance, or claiming company. some are in over their heads and have to drop in class. others just tail off. soundness comes into play. but making a blanket statement that it's all due to the trail to the classics is lacking in accuracy.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're the one who made the assertion. I disagreed and gave you a counter argument. You still don't have an original argument. Until you come up with one, you're talking out of your ass as usual.

Who gives a sh*t if my argument is original?

This is undoubtedly upset you becasue I don't have the facts to back up this claim, but I would wager that the Kentucky Derby is the final race of more horses' careers than any other single race. And comsidering some of the horses who run in it haven't even had their 3rd birthday, it should not be.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Danzig

some, like super saver, had their careers shortened due to breeding purposes. others fall off the trail because they showed they didn't belong. some are due to injury, illness, etc. the thing is, those things may have happened even without pointing to the classics. horses don't run harder because they know more money is on the line. those same injuries, illnesses, and being passed by your peers talentwise would happen regardless if a horse is in stakes, allowance, or claiming company. some are in over their heads and have to drop in class. others just tail off. soundness comes into play. but making a blanket statement that it's all due to the trail to the classics is lacking in accuracy.

Agreed. Good thing that's not what I said.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

Who gives a sh*t if my argument is original?

This is undoubtedly upset you becasue I don't have the facts to back up this claim, but I would wager that the Kentucky Derby is the final race of more horses' careers than any other single race. And comsidering some of the horses who run in it haven't even had their 3rd birthday, it should not be.

Talking out of your ass, thanks for confirming. And comprehension issues too. Original as in your base argument, not original as in unique, genius.