If ObamaCare is so great?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I'll take it under advisement so long as you stop telling anyone who dares disagress with you to, "get a clue."

You didn't disagree with me. You went off disagreeing with something I didn't even say. So yeah, you indeed needed to "get a clue" on that one.

Feel free to disagree with something I actually do say, however. Debate is fun.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You didn't disagree with me. You went off disagreeing with something I didn't even say. So yeah, you indeed needed to "get a clue" on that one.

Feel free to disagree with something I actually do say, however. Debate is fun.

Perfect time to reminisce:

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world." RIOT circa timeless

Now do you think with the interest and understanding this caped duo has, will they be able to assist Egypt? Or does the strong understanding tell them to stay the f<ck out?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Perfect time to reminisce:

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world." RIOT circa timeless

Now do you think with the interest and understanding this caped duo has, will they be able to assist Egypt? Or does the strong understanding tell them to stay the f<ck out?

Why don't you start a new thread on Egypt, and we can talk about it? Breaking news say the internet was just taken down there, it's getting really ugly.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why don't you start a new thread on Egypt, and we can talk about it? Breaking news say the internet was just taken down there, it's getting really ugly.

I knew you'd say that!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I knew you'd say that!

Well, yeah - that's where it belongs. If you want to really talk about what's happening in Egypt, including the police starting to shoot at protesters today, start a thread.

If you just want want excuse to bring up a quote I said two (three?) years ago, that I still stand by, btw, because you think what I said is silly, well, you do that fairly regularly.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are bringing a spoon to a gun fight in a battle of wits with Riot. I enjoy it but then again I enjoy watching Oklahoma v Tulsa; Tyson v Michael Spinks. If we were keeping score you'd be the one on the short end .

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/b...hschool-311327

You know me I dont back down. Tyson V Michael Spinks was great to watch. I have been on the short end before and it wont be the last time I might be on the short end.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why don't you start a new thread on Egypt, and we can talk about it? Breaking news say the internet was just taken down there, it's getting really ugly.

Hopefuly our country doesn't get involved with Egypt. This country has enough on its plate with Iraq and Afghanistan. Two places this country has no business meddling into how they run thier country.

[Nascar1966]

[quote=jms62;746560]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I think alot of us feel the same way. I just have a thing for someone calling people worthless when all they are doing is trying better the lives of their childern. That is not a worthless person. Go to prisons or a KKK meeting (Nascars typical Sat Night) to find Worthless people.

Isn't your typical Saturday night meeting with your local Black Panther chapter?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are bringing a spoon to a gun fight in a battle of wits with Riot. I enjoy it but then again I enjoy watching Oklahoma v Tulsa; Tyson v Michael Spinks. If we were keeping score you'd be the one on the short end .

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/b...hschool-311327

ummmm


Its more like Wilkes vs East Texas Baptist

[dellinger63]

The latest

A judge in Florida on Monday became the second judge to declare President Barack Obama's healthcare reform law unconstitutional, in the biggest legal challenge yet to federal authority to enact the law.

"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications," Vinson wrote.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...ame=healthNews

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The latest

A judge in Florida on Monday became the second judge to declare President Barack Obama's healthcare reform law unconstitutional, in the biggest legal challenge yet to federal authority to enact the law.

"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications," Vinson wrote.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...ame=healthNews

When this crap goes to the Supreme Court im pretty confident Obama will have Sotomayor on his side. Im sure her vote has been bought already.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Did you read the whole bill page for page? If the Republicans take over the Senate and Obama gets voted out in 2012 there might be a good chance that this bill that wasn't wanted by the majority of Americans gets repealed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did you read the whole bill page for page? If the Republicans take over the Senate and Obama gets voted out in 2012 there might be a good chance that this bill that wasn't wanted by the majority of Americans gets repealed.

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

Needs to go to the Supreme Court NOW. Before any more taxes/fees are stolen. I'll guess and say they'll leave it up to State's rights and let the exodus begin. Talk about potentially destroying America?

Perhaps because the country is so diametrically opposed right now regarding healthcare maybe we can separate. Not divorce but a friendly you do your thing I'll do mine and I'll give support for 5-10 or better 100-200 years till everyone gets straightened out. We're a young country after all and can't afford to think ahead.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

I hope it gets repealled. Why should my taxpaying money go to helping someone else. Is anyone going to help me in paying for my son to go to college? Wonder if the judges who have said there is no merit are bought and paid for?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Needs to go to the Supreme Court NOW. Before any more taxes/fees are stolen. I'll guess and say they'll leave it up to State's rights and let the exodus begin. Talk about potentially destroying America?

Perhaps because the country is so diametrically opposed right now regarding healthcare maybe we can separate. Not divorce but a friendly you do your thing I'll do mine and I'll give support for 5-10 or better 100-200 years till everyone gets straightened out. We're a young country after all and can't afford to think ahead.

I am in total agreement with you. Im sure know it all Riot will disagree with you.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

The Govt. cannot force a citizen to buy a product. The Commerce Clause has been abused for decades. It's time to rein them in. I stated before, if that is unconstitutional, the whole thing goes down in flames. The same 4 Supremes who had difficulty reading the 2nd Amendment will probably have trouble reading the rest of the Constitution.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The Govt. cannot force a citizen to buy a product. The Commerce Clause has been abused for decades. It's time to rein them in. I stated before, if that is unconstitutional, the whole thing goes down in flames. The same 4 Supremes who had difficulty reading the 2nd Amendment will probably have trouble reading the rest of the Constitution.

A good point you have also brought up. The 4 Supremes you are talking about also might be bought and paid for.

[dellinger63]

Brilliant Move!!!!!!

Five South Dakota lawmakers have introduced legislation that would require any adult 21 or older to buy a firearm “sufficient to provide for their ordinary self-defense.”

The bill, which would take effect Jan. 1, 2012, would give people six months to acquire a firearm after turning 21. The provision does not apply to people who are barred from owning a firearm.


Nor does the measure specify what type of firearm. Instead, residents would pick one “suitable to their temperament, physical capacity, and preference.”


The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”


Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.


“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Brilliant Move!!!!!!

Five South Dakota lawmakers have introduced legislation that would require any adult 21 or older to buy a firearm “sufficient to provide for their ordinary self-defense.”

The bill, which would take effect Jan. 1, 2012, would give people six months to acquire a firearm after turning 21. The provision does not apply to people who are barred from owning a firearm.


Nor does the measure specify what type of firearm. Instead, residents would pick one “suitable to their temperament, physical capacity, and preference.”


The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”


Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.


“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.

This is a very enlightning comparision. Im sure all the Dems and Obama butt munchers will disagree with you.