Why the NYRA nasal strip ban?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It actually doesn't accurately explain why people are blaming NYRA but it does give a stilted view of how someone COULD be confused.

How doesnt it explain people blaming nyra? According to the article, nyra said a month after the wagering board said theyd revisit in a year that no strips would be allowed.
If the article has it wrong, then you cant criticize the people who read it for getting it wrong, take it up with bh if its wrong.wrongfully

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

How doesnt it explain people blaming nyra? According to the article, nyra said a month after the wagering board said theyd revisit in a year that no strips would be allowed.
If the article has it wrong, then you cant criticize the people who read it for getting it wrong, take it up with bh if its wrong.wrongfully

Your handicapping is pretty weak on this particular issue.

[Danzig]

Can only go by what i saw...obviously not the full story?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Can only go by what i saw...obviously not the full story?

What percentage of people that rushed to blame " NYRA " had read that particular ( stilted ) story?

[richard]

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/horse...Horse%20Racing

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What percentage of people that rushed to blame " NYRA " had read that particular ( stilted ) story?

Hell, i dont know. If i have to start answering for others as well as myslef, i am screwed.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

This has been in place since 1999. How exactly is this a concerted effort to kill racing now?

It was a general assessment, not indicative solely on the nasal strip ban...

CHRB pushing for a an O'Neill ban/punishment with the current focus of the outside world squarely on him and horse racing. They could have waitied till this TC stuff blows over, but they chose not to.

The NYRA political problems currently going on.

The Lasix issue being pushed through.

Want me to keep going?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am frequently amazed how many people seem to think I am not allowed any vacation days. Every single time I have been off in the last four years, people have asked if I was fired.

I suppose next you are gonna tell us that those are paid vacation days?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pba1817

It was a general assessment, not indicative solely on the nasal strip ban...

CHRB pushing for a an O'Neill ban/punishment with the current focus of the outside world squarely on him and horse racing. They could have waitied till this TC stuff blows over, but they chose not to.

The NYRA political problems currently going on.

The Lasix issue being pushed through.

Want me to keep going?

I hear you about the other stuff, but IMO the nasal strip issue is a non one. If O'neill doesn't care that I'll Have Another can't wear it, why does anyone else?

And how come I have never seen one person talk about this non issue before right now?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I hear you about the other stuff, but IMO the nasal strip issue is a non one. If O'neill doesn't care that I'll Have Another can't wear it, why does anyone else?

And how come I have never seen one person talk about this non issue before right now?

The people behind the the strips seem to think it won't affect IHA's performance. We have no reason to think it'll be a problem either, but the ban added another variable where one need not exist. I doubt the strip is the reason IHA was 9 lengths ahead of Creative Cause in the Preakness. I think like anybody O'Neill would rather have access to it than not because why change things now? Changing the routine would be the reason he might care if he did.

As for why should we care...there seems to be good reason to make the exact opposite call that's been made about the strips. We care about horse equipment as a general rule, not to mention horse welfare, and from what I've read it makes little sense to ban them. Why are people fighting hard for lasix but not for non-medicinal preventive measures? It sounds like it improves the comfort of horses while they run. I'd say that takes it from non-issue to issue. I'm sure some people have cared about it for much longer but publications never made as big a deal. I know it's never been brought to my attention before.

I guess nobody's brought it up because crossing jurisdictions for an achievement like the Triple Crown makes things come up that might've taken longer to change. Would there be an obstacle preventing them from deciding to allow it starting right now? I don't know if there's some reason changes like this have to wait til a certain time to be implemented. I don't recall a Triple Crown being on the line with a horse using a nasal strip. Was there one?

[letswastemoney]

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the nasal strip ban. If it was that important to lift the ban, wouldn't this issue have come up sooner before I'll Have Another's Triple Crown run?

[Danzig]

Actually, this is the first time ive found out there was a ban.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the nasal strip ban. If it was that important to lift the ban, wouldn't this issue have come up sooner before I'll Have Another's Triple Crown run?

I can't quantify the importance of the ban but very few topics concerning horse equipment see much time in the public spotlight. I'm sure few people know that cornell collars which are used for horses with faulty airways are allowed in some states and not allowed in others. Every time I race a horse anywhere the paddock judge checks to see if the horse is wearing a tongue ite, nasal strip, shadowroll, figure 8 or blinkers. But they have never asked me what type of bit they were wearing or about ear plugs and there is no consistency really required. If I chose to use a tongue tie every other time with a particular horse no one would know. I have taken tongue ties off horses in the paddock because they were seemingly bothered by them.

It would seem that Dr Hill's argument is a strange one considering that a tongue tie or ear plugs which could have an effect on the performance of a horse arent noted anywhere and both of those can come off or out prior to a race as well.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am frequently amazed how many people seem to think I am not allowed any vacation days. Every single time I have been off in the last four years, people have asked if I was fired.

isn't 40 days of Saratoga enough vacation ? gimme a break. Why don't you speak up on the issue. You know its a bullchit ruling. Say so. The only problem with those strips is they give you acne, which doesn't really matter with the steeds.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

isn't 40 days of Saratoga enough vacation ? gimme a break. Why don't you speak up on the issue. You know its a bullchit ruling. Say so. The only problem with those strips is they give you acne, which doesn't really matter with the steeds.

Can't you see that it's an obvious conflict of intrest?

Also like Hossy said, O'Neill doesn't care. So if it's a non-issue with him, why is everyone else making a stink?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Can't you see that it's an obvious conflict of intrest?

Also like Hossy said, O'Neill doesn't care. So if it's a non-issue with him, why is everyone else making a stink?

Maybe because the rule just became known and it seems a silly one?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Maybe because the rule just became known and it seems a silly one?

The rule has been there, so where has everyone and their outrage been all this time?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Can't you see that it's an obvious conflict of intrest?

Also like Hossy said, O'Neill doesn't care. So if it's a non-issue with him, why is everyone else making a stink?

i meant to speak up to them in house, kind of like an 2nd opinion. I know a ton of peeps respect his opinion, I know that I do. His bosses must too, or they wouldn't have hired him.

[richard]

I am sure there are more than a few trainers and owners in NY that would like to use nasal strips. This incident opens up an avenue for expression that has not been available in a decade.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The rule has been there, so where has everyone and their outrage been all this time?

Like i said earlier in the thread, i never knew this was their rule. I bet im not the only one just finding out. Not sure about others, but im far from outraged. Slightly surprised, otherwise ambivalent is how i feel about it.