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Old 12-14-2006, 12:05 PM
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Default Hollywood Futurity - Grade 1

Hollywood Park - December 16th, 2006 - Race 9
Hollywood Futurity - Grade: 1
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:35 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Two Year Old
Purse: $250,000
Distance:One And One Sixteenth Miles
Surface: All Weather Track
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Silent Soul (KY) 2 Colt 121 Garrett K. Gomez
2 Notional (CA) 2 Colt 121 Corey S. Nakatani
3 Unusual Suspect (CA) 2 Colt 121 David Cohen
4 Stormello (KY) 2 Colt 121 Kent J. Desormeaux
5 Whatsthescript (IRE) 2 Colt 121 Isaias D. Enriquez
6 Liquidity (KY) 2 Colt 121 David Romero Flores
7 Roman Commander (KY) 2 Colt 121 Alex O. Solis
8 Principle Secret (KY) 2 Colt 121 Victor Espinoza
9 Senior (KY) 2 Colt 121 Agapito Delgadillo
10 Belgravia (KY) 2 Colt 121 Julien R. Leparoux
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:08 PM
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Watch out for Unusual Suspect here.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:29 PM
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Belgravia is free money, and will probably win the Triple Crown
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:38 PM
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I really like Silent Soul and Stormello to seperate themselves from the group.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:39 PM
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Belgravia is free money, and will probably win the Triple Crown
I have 3 things to say about the Triple Crown comment:

1) L
2) O
3) L
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Old 12-14-2006, 02:26 PM
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Belgravia is free money, and will probably win the Triple Crown
If you're looking for the TC winner, you better start reading the Florida Derby Noms.
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Old 12-14-2006, 03:48 PM
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Belgravia is free money, and will probably win the Triple Crown
That does it. An addition to my ignore list.

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Old 12-14-2006, 03:58 PM
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I don't know what happened to Principle Secret in Kentucky but he's better than what he showed. I am expecting him to win this unchallenged.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:58 AM
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I don't know what happened to Principle Secret in Kentucky but he's better than what he showed. I am expecting him to win this unchallenged.
Agree 100% that he's better than what he showed in KY. Guessing it was bleeding or something along that order...
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:22 AM
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Do NOT throw out races.
Do NOT draw a line through a race.
BELIEVE your eyes.
U should already know that I don't throw out races. I don't accept excuses. That race certainly put up a red flag for me about this horse. But at the same time I'm believing my eyes about that last one, I'm believing what I saw in his first races. If I see Kobe go 5-27 tonight, I won't stop believing he's a great player. Off days happen sometimes. I'm hoping Principle Secret reverts to his previous and expecting that because of his last, I'll get a decent price.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:25 AM
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Do NOT throw out races.
Do NOT draw a line through a race.
BELIEVE your eyes.
Sometimes you have to. The eyes DO deceive sometimes. Let's say today's race is a sprint on a dry track. If the last race was in slop, or routing or on grass, its irrelevant. What if the horse was racing 5 wide against a strong rail bias? Or a horse finished badly because it dueled hard for 6f (i.e. Principle Secret)? Go strictly by the last race and you end up on too many underlays.

BTW, Principle Secret isn't the only California horse who's run poorly in another state w/out race day Bute.
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Old 12-15-2006, 11:28 AM
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Do NOT throw out races.
Do NOT draw a line through a race.
Of course I don't agree with this at all.

Circumstances dictate outcomes A LOT in horse racing. In my opinion, both Stormello and Principle Secret are horses who will be more effective (possibly far more so) sprinting, as opposed to routing.

Anyone who followed the 2006 Oak Tree meet knows how ridiculiously kind to speed that track was all meeting long. I believe that both Principle Secret and Stormello were carried to a 1-2 finish in the Norfolk by the nature of the way that racetrack was playing.

Stormello obviously running the better race of the two.

In the Breeders Cup Juvie, Princible Secret and Stormello would set ABSURDLY fast fractions for the distance, while racing 1-2 through the first two pace calls. Meanwhile, the horses racing 13th and 14th (Last & 2nd to Last) through the pace calls....would end up 1st and 2nd at the wire, with the 15/1 shot double digit length winner, running a 108 Beyer figure in victory. The fastest Beyer ever earned in a Breeders Cup Juvie by quite a bit.

Basically, Princible Secret and Stormello both do probably deserve another go at a Grade 1 route race in Southern California...because they ran 1-2 in the Norfolk, which obviously is the last major So. Cal 2yo route stake.

However, these two horses both played a key role in making Street Sense look like the 2nd coming in the Breeders Cup. Both of these horses are totally bred to be sprinters, and I believe both of them will eventually find their way off the "Derby Trail" and on, maybe the King's Bishop trail or something like that.

* Principle Secrets sire won all four of his races sprinting, and failed both times he ran a route of ground. His dam was a sprinter/miler type who is kin to a Graded Stakes winning sprinter.

* Stormello is by Stormy Atlantic out of a really bad Carson City race mare. The female family is totally laced with many useful sprinting stakes types.

I'm not betting the Hollywood Futurity myself...but if I was, I'd look beyond the 1-2 finishers in the Norfolk, and probably for an off-the-pace type.
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Old 12-15-2006, 01:53 PM
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Do NOT throw out races.
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BELIEVE your eyes.
I've been saying for years that I need new glasses.
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Old 12-14-2006, 04:09 PM
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Anyone know when Baffert is bringing EZ Warrior back?
Thought he might have him ready for this race.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:56 AM
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Anyone know when Baffert is bringing EZ Warrior back?
Thought he might have him ready for this race.
He worked yesterday.
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Old 12-15-2006, 02:02 AM
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kind of like Belgravia myself.
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Old 12-15-2006, 04:53 AM
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I like SILENT SOUL.... hopefully he follows in his sires footsteps...
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:32 AM
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Anyone know anything about Whatsthescript?
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:39 AM
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Anyone know anything about Whatsthescript?
First started in Europe and since has won the Pinjara & Generous S.
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Old 12-15-2006, 12:46 PM
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5 Whatsthescript (IRE) 2 Colt 121 Isaias D. Enriquez

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10 Belgravia (KY) 2 Colt 121 Julien R. Leparoux

are the two that I think the win should come from. Despise the jock on the 5,and the post of the 10.It is hard to give stuff(jock,post etc.) up in this game.They got away with using this jock 2x already. 3x is really pushing it.If Frenchy can save some ground on Belgravia,he will be very tough (at bad odds.) Have zero idea what Notional will do.I saw no excuse last time to stop.Any reported?
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