A funny thing happened on the way to the coronation...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by CheekyBird

My understanding of what occurred is that Gore/Lieberman were not attempting to block legitimate votes from overseas military troops (over 1,400 absentee ballots from overseas were chucked without opening the envelopes), but requesting that the Florida Secretary of State comply with the previously accepted legal standard of rejecting ballots that did not include a postmark. (To assert that Gore/Lieberman attempted to disenfranchise military personnel stationed abroad is to presume that all the UNOPENED ballots were for Bush).

Gore/Lieberman were well within their right to demand that the FL Secretary of State enforce a voting LAW. Alas, it was a public relations bungle.

Yes, you are correct. In terms of the letter of the law they were entitled to ask for those ballots to be disqualified. But considering all that our military troops do for the country, to try to disqualify their votes on a technicality is pretty low, especially when Gore and Lieberman kept on saying that they simply wanted all the ballots counted. That was their talking point. They kept saying that all they wanted was for everyone's votes to be counted. In reality, they only wanted more ballots to be counted if those ballots were ballots that were likely to help them. They only wanted recounts in precincts that tend to vote democrat. Since military troops lean republican, they didn't want those votes counted if there was any legal way to keep those votes from being counted.

[CheekyBird]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, you are correct. In terms of the letter of the law they were entitled to ask for those ballots to be disqualified. But considering all that our military troops do for the country, to try to disqualify their votes on a technicality is pretty low, especially when Gore and Lieberman kept on saying that they simply wanted all the ballots counted. That was their talking point. They kept saying that all they wanted was for everyone's votes to be counted. In reality, they only wanted more ballots to be counted if those ballots were ballots that were likely to help them. They only wanted recounts in precincts that tend to vote democrat. Since military troops lean republican, they didn't want those votes counted if there was any legal way to keep those votes from being counted.

What I am detecting is a wish to perpetuate the false narrative that liberals hate the military. Look, Gore/Lieberman had the right to fight their case in the manner they wished. The law was on their side. "Considering all that our military troops do for the country" is an EMOTIONAL response. EVERY vote should have been counted, and ballots that violated established standards for certification should have been thrown out. Full stop.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by CheekyBird

What I am detecting is a wish to perpetuate the false narrative that liberals hate the military. Look, Gore/Lieberman had the right to fight their case in the manner they wished. The law was on their side. "Considering all that our military troops do for the country" is an EMOTIONAL response. EVERY vote should have been counted, and ballots that violated established standards for certification should have been thrown out. Full stop.

Hate is a strong word. They're typically aloof about the military and outright heartless to our veterans.

What happened in Libya has been covered up so I can relate to the minority who claim liberals hate the military. If what happened in Benghazi is true it is without a doubt that they want our troops to die.

There's no other way to defend the rumors.

[Pants II]

If she wins then I am in full support of women being drafted.

After all it is women who will elect her. Let them fight the wars. They can do anything according to the people on the television.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by CheekyBird

What I am detecting is a wish to perpetuate the false narrative that liberals hate the military. Look, Gore/Lieberman had the right to fight their case in the manner they wished. The law was on their side. "Considering all that our military troops do for the country" is an EMOTIONAL response. EVERY vote should have been counted, and ballots that violated established standards for certification should have been thrown out. Full stop.

Gore and Lieberman wanted to do the exact opposite of what you are saying. They didn't want to throw out votes that violated established standards. The established standard in Florida was to count the votes by putting the ballots into the machines that count the votes. The machines count any ballot where the hole is punched for a candidate. When the vote is really close, there is an automatic recount. The recount is very simple. They put the ballots into the machines and the machines count the votes again. That was what was done in Florida in the 200 election. Bush won on election night, but the vote was very close so there was an automatic recount. Bush won the recount fair and square. So then Gore decided that he wanted to recount the ballots by hand and try to get ballots counted that the machines did not count. There is no legal justification to do that. The kind of ballots that were used are meant to be counted by machine, not by hand.

Do you remember watching the recount by hand? Do you remember how ridiculous it was? In many cases, after visually inspecting ballots, the people counting the votes did not agree on who a ballot was for. It's not suppose to be subjective. That is why we use machines. The machines are not biased. If you punched the hole (they used punch ballots that year in Florida) all the way through for Gore, the machine would count a vote for Gore. If you only partially punched it, or if if you also punched or partially a the hole for Bush, the ballot would obviously not count. You can't vote for both of them. If you voted for both, the ballot would obviously not count.

As you said, "Ballots that violated established standards for certification should have been thrown out." That is exactly right. And the machines only count ballots where one hole is punched all the way through, period. Yet Gore wanted to change the rules and count ballots by hand in counties where more people vote democrat. His rationale was that he wanted all the votes to be counted and he didn't want a ballot to be thrown out on a technicality (in most cases the technicality being that the hole wasn't punched all the way through, or another hole was also partially punched). You can't have it both ways. You can't say that we want all the votes to be counted. We do not want to disqualify ballots based on a technicality (the technicality being the machine not recognizing the vote based on a uniform standard of how the machines count votes). But on the other hand, we want to disqualify other ballots based on a technicality (that there was no postmark). That is complete hypocrisy.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Is my math right? I'm looking at the map and the electoral count. According to Silver's map, Hillary is ahead 299.8 to 237. But Silver is counting Florida for Hillary. Most polls now show Trump ahead in Florida. Florida is worth 29 electoral votes. So if Trump wins Florida, then it would Hillary 271, Trump 266. Silver has Hillary winning North Carolina. I have seen polls showing Trump ahead in NC. NC is worth 15 electoral votes. So if Trump wins NC, he wins 281- 256. I had thought he needed to win either Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, or Minnesota. But assuming he wins Florida (and assuming everything else on Silver's map is correct), then all he needs to do is win NC to win the election. Is that correct?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/

Edit: I think I am misreading something on his map and forecast. If you check his polls plus forecast (rather than just his polls without forecast), he actually has Trump winning both Florida and NC. Yet it shows the electoral count as Hillary at 296 and Trump at 240.9. So I believe Trump does in fact need to win another big state such as either Pennsylvania or Michigan, or win another few smaller ones that he is trailing in such as Nevada, Virginia, Colorado, and Wisconsin.

[Pants II]

Nate Silver and his ardent supporters are pearl clutching sissies. Look at the comments section of any article he posts.

It's like he panders to femme boys.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Is my math right? I'm looking at the map and the electoral count. According to Silver's map, Hillary is ahead 299.8 to 237. But Silver is counting Florida for Hillary. Most polls now show Trump ahead in Florida. Florida is worth 29 electoral votes. So if Trump wins Florida, then it would Hillary 271, Trump 266. Silver has Hillary winning North Carolina. I have seen polls showing Trump ahead in NC. NC is worth 15 electoral votes. So if Trump wins NC, he wins 281- 256. I had thought he needed to win either Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, or Minnesota. But assuming he wins Florida (and assuming everything else on Silver's map is correct), then all he needs to do is win NC to win the election. Is that correct?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/

Edit: I think I am misreading something on his map and forecast. If you check his polls plus forecast (rather than just his polls without forecast), he actually has Trump winning both Florida and NC. Yet it shows the electoral count as Hillary at 296 and Trump at 240.9.

The way it looks right now, he will win toss up states NC, OH, FL, AZ, NV, IA.

That puts him at 265. he takes NH + the 2nd district of ME and he's there.

That is without winning CO, VA, (both within the MOE) and swinging any of the traditional blue states that are absolutely in play based on post-FBI investigation polls (MI, WI, PA, NM). He gets ANY of these and he is in with or without New England.

Prices are dropping on Trump daily by overseas bookmakers. Currently 65% of the waging is on Trump.

[Pants II]

New Project Veritas video

Benjamin Barber is an academic lunatic. Must watch.

[Pants II]

All these elites like Barber do is divide and conquer.

He reminds me of a wannabe Soros.

Disgusting human being and his wife is equally as shameful.

[Pants II]

All Republicans are like the Nazis and are murderers according to Benjamin Barber. A short, ugly man who wears scarves and wines and dines with international elites and has a propaganda piece titled...

Jihad vs. McWorld

What the f.uck is he doing living in America? Is his intent living here simply to destroy his home?

Looks that way.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

The way it looks right now, he will win toss up states NC, OH, FL, AZ, NV, IA.

That puts him at 265. he takes NH + the 2nd district of ME and he's there.

That is without winning CO, VA, (both within the MOE) and swinging any of the traditional blue states that are absolutely in play based on post-FBI investigation polls (MI, WI, PA, NM). He gets ANY of these and he is in with or without New England.

Prices are dropping on Trump daily by overseas bookmakers. Currently 65% of the waging is on Trump.

Something else to consider - virtually EVERY poll was heavily weight +D to account for the support/popularity of Obama in 2008 and 2012, primarily among the African American community. That support, in early voting is nonexistent thus far, as early voting among African Americans is down 25%.

This is an enormously important development. All polls, particularly national polls, should be eyed cautiously.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Pants II

New Project Veritas video

Benjamin Barber is an academic lunatic. Must watch.

Despicable.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Trump. Miami. Right Now.



HRC was here in Dade City yesterday and there were as many Trump protesters as supporters ( about a few hundred each)

[Rudeboyelvis]

Coach what have you heard about these Steve Pieczenik vids? Anything there?

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Coach what have you heard about these Steve Pieczenik vids? Anything there?

Worked under Kissinger. Highly skeptical.

The dims are bringing out their final act in less than 3 hours.

It's a dud.

[Pants II]

I'm not taking any of his story and posting it.

There's so much dis-info out there it's tough to keep track. Especially considering what's coming at 6pm.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Pants II

I'm not taking any of his story and posting it.

There's so much dis-info out there it's tough to keep track. Especially considering what's coming at 6pm.

Agreed. It's why I purposely did not link it. Highly suspect, but also cannot say it's the first time I've heard about it. It's been going around for ages.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Agreed. It's why I purposely did not link it. Highly suspect, but also cannot say it's the first time I've heard about it. It's been going around for ages.

Hillary and Henry are good friends.

This bottom-feeding shark is going to show her ass and the media is going to run with it. Like daughter, like mother.

Two revolting harpies doing henchman work for traitors.

[Pants II]

Pie guy shows up with these bold declarations and it gets reversed in under 48 hours.

They're too transparent at this point. This story has been in alt-right news cycles repeatedly during the primary and the general.

They have nothing. What the citizen journalists have is proof of collusion between victim, firm, and campaign.