Two Bozos in one week! Helms dead..

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

and many of them were repentant of those views later in life.

george wallace quietly visited black churches asking forgiveness for the harm he had done earlier in his life.

while that was going on, jesse helms sang dixie to the first african american woman elected to the senate promising he'd keep it up "until she cried".

i think i have his entire life in perspective when i say the world is better off without him and those that share his views.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

[Mortimer]

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[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

When I talked about backward views, I was referring to the racist attitudes of the 1950s. That is all I was referring to. And I'm only referring to true racism. We all have different views of what true racism is. To me, true racism is when a person basically dislikes all the members of a certain race. I'm sure others have a far broader view.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

you're better than this nonsense.

i'm not going to come on here and defend the iranian president or osama bin ladin because they are steadfast in their beliefs. and neither are you.

we're both going to look at their beliefs and judge them on our own moral scale.

jesse helms was an unrepentant racist. he had a 18th century mind.

i'm okay with that point of view disappearing from our political landscape. and advocating tolerance for intolerance is asinine. i hope you respect my strong opinion on that.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Be specific. Which votes did he make which indicate intolerance towards democracy? Is his voting record much different from other conservatives? If not, do you consider most conservatives intolerant toward democracy?

I never mentioned a voting record.

He could have voted on the same side as Ted Kennedy on
a number of bills. This does not tell me as much about the
man as his own statements and actions.

His record is long and there for anyone to see and judge.
I judge him to be intolerant and unpatriotic based on what
this country is supposed to be. This is my opinion, my judgement.
I have my own ideas about this country's central tenets, it may not be exactly like others.

For one little example if you wish, because there are many:
Look up his role in the funding of the Contra rebels and
then look up his views on aide to foreign countries and his
views on the United State's role in dealing with foreign aide.

A huge contradiction, no pun intended.

This has nothing to do with his archaic civil rights views
for which he has made his true fame.

Morton this is a sort of smart thread.
Look something up for God's sake!

Participate, remember clowns are born evil.
-John Wayne Gacy

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you're better than this nonsense.

i'm not going to come on here and defend the iranian president or osama bin ladin because they are steadfast in their beliefs. and neither are you. I wasn't defending Helms either...I clearly stated that. I disagreed with a GREAT MAJORITY of things he stood for and believed in. I just said with him, at least you know where he stood.

we're both going to look at their beliefs and judge them on our own moral scale. of course we are...we are human beings, were are judgemental by nature.

jesse helms was an unrepentant racist. he had a 18th century mind. He absolutley was...I wasn't arguing or saying that he wasn't. Again, I stated his views were deplorable, at best.
i'm okay with that point of view disappearing from our political landscape. and advocating tolerance for intolerance is asinine. i hope you respect my strong opinion on that.

I respect any opinion you may have...its your right as a human being

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Morton this is a sort of smart thread.
Look something up for God's sake!

Participate, remember clowns are born evil.
-John Wayne Gacy

Perhaps you should take off those Phil colored glasses and check again as to how smart this thread really is.

































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[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I never mentioned a voting record.

He could have voted on the same side as Ted Kennedy on
a number of bills. This does not tell me as much about the
man as his own statements and actions.

His record is long and there for anyone to see and judge.
I judge him to be intolerant and unpatriotic based on what
this country is supposed to be. This is my opinion, my judgement.
I have my own ideas about this country's central tenets, it may not be exactly like others.

For one little example if you wish, because there are many:
Look up his role in the funding of the Contra rebels and
then look up his views on aide to foreign countries and his
views on the United State's role in dealing with foreign aide.

A huge contradiction, no pun intended.

This has nothing to do with his archaic civil rights views
for which he has made his true fame.

You mentioned his voting record. Here is your quote: "1. Because his 'voting record' and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo."

I'm not sure I understand your point about the Iran/Contra deal. It sounds like you're saying that Helms was generally not big on foreign aid, but he was in favor of funding the Contras. What is wrong with that? It's good if a politician is open-minded and judges each situation on it's own merits as opposed to "always being against foreign aid" no matter what.

In terms of his actions, he had African-Americans in top positions on his staff. Actions speak louder than words. If he was such a racist, why would he have people of color in top positions on his staff?

[Mortimer]

YOU MENTIONED A FUCl<ING VOTING RECORD YA COKE SOCARE!!!

[Mortimer]

goddammitty,phil!

You Lied

[Mortimer]

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..there Are Strange Creatures Swinging From You Personal Family Tree!

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You mentioned his voting record. Here is your quote: "1. Because his 'voting record' and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo."

I'm not sure I understand your point about the Iran/Contra deal. It sounds like you're saying that Helms was generally not big on foreign aid, but he was in favor of funding the Contras. What is wrong with that? It's good if a politician is open-minded and judges each situation on it's own merits as opposed to "always being against foreign aid" no matter what.

In terms of his actions, he had African-Americans in top positions on his staff. Actions speak louder than words.

Oops my bad.

The Contra's were not supposed to be funded by law.
So not only does he not believe in funding, he goes against
the law.

[Mortimer]

OK guys...touch gloves and continue beating each other with stupid putty.





I'm due in make up in 2 minutes.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

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..there Are Strange Creatures Swinging From You Personal Family Tree!

thats what happens when part of that trees roots are from WVa

Originally Posted by Mortimer

goddammitty,phil!

You Lied

I messed up. Not the first time. Nor the last.

I have done it more than a few times on this very
board but you never used the bold type, you
never even noticed.

I bow before the board and ask forgiveness.
(especially since I may have made Morton orga sm)

His voting record is very conservative, but
other items tell me a lot more.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I messed up. Not the first time. Nor the last.

I have done it more than a few times on this very
board but you never used the bold type, you
never even noticed.

I bow before the board and ask forgiveness.
(especially since I may have made Morton orga sm)

His voting record is very conservative, but
other items tell me a lot more.

I still want to know why he would have hired African-Americans and put them in top positions on his staff if he truly hated black people. You said that he was not politically correct. So if he wasn't politically correct, then why would he have had people of color in top positions on his staff if he had a strong dislike of people of color?

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

In terms of his actions, he had African-Americans in top positions on his staff. Actions speak louder than words. If he was such a racist, why would he have people of color in top positions on his staff?

Now I am pretty sure I did not mention anything about
African Americans. I did mention the Civil Rights, but let
Morton check to see if I lied.

Maybe he had African Americans on his staff to boss them
around, how the heck would I know... I am sure a lot of
racists work with and hire people that are competent. How does
this deliver them from having racists ideas?