Talk about your bad beats.

[Heels1989]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

Who's that?

Oh yeah - isnt he the guy that got pissed at Aroid for crossing over his mound?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

First of all it would have taken the ball a split second to get to the 2nd baseman. The guy was out by a split seond. Secondly he would have been moving when he fielded the ball as was the pitcher. two moving objects have a much greater chance of error than one moving target. And the corner infielders always cut off the ball when they can. Cabarera actually made the proper play by not rushing the throw and waiting for the pitcher to get into position.

I dont think the 2nd basemen would have been moving as fast as you think.. it seemed fairly routine to me.

The argument doesnt really matter, cause its not like Cabrera made an error or anything, he did a fine job and the runner was out by over a step which is by a mile in baseball. complete blown call. I just feel a simple 4-3 play would have been much easier. Didnt think Cabrera needed to even go after it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Halladay is a star. These other guys arent nor will they be. Though if the Phils dont turn the offense around Halladay will be missing the playoffs again!

Phils bats go through streaks every year. This one is just a lot worse than usual! But I fully expect them to turn it around soon.. especially after Charlie absolutely ripped their heads off to the media yesterday. They usually respond to Charlie.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

I was just about to type almost the exact same thing. In some ways, the ump did him a favor.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont think the 2nd basemen would have been moving as fast as you think.. it seemed fairly routine to me.

The argument doesnt really matter, cause its not like Cabrera made an error or anything, he did a fine job and the runner was out by over a step which is by a mile in baseball. complete blown call. I just feel a simple 4-3 play would have been much easier. Didnt think Cabrera needed to even go after it.

It didnt matter who fielded the ball, the pitcher wasnt on the bag which is why Cabrera waited to throw the ball. Corner infielders are taught to cut off slow hit balls

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Phils bats go through streaks every year. This one is just a lot worse than usual! But I fully expect them to turn it around soon.. especially after Charlie absolutely ripped their heads off to the media yesterday. They usually respond to Charlie.

Well they are making the East more interesting for sure!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well they are making the East more interesting for sure!

East is ridiculous this year. Very competitive. Only gonna get harded when Strasburg arrives.

[MaTH716]

Caberra had to go for that ball. By the looks of the replay, the 2nd baseman was shaded towards the middle. Miggy couldn't risk having that ball go through the hole.
Reguardless of who's play you thought it was, Caberra did make the play. Unfortunately we all know what the result was.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

East is ridiculous this year. Very competitive. Only gonna get harded when Strasburg arrives.

Heels is going to get harded when Strausburg arrives!

[PeteMugg]

Galarraga snowconed the ball and snapped his glove to secure the catch. At game speed I could see this appearing as a juggle. Throw in all that clumsy footwork and the whole thing just looked bad. Closest thing to an excuse that I can come up with for Joyce. That being said, I think Cannon is right, AG might parlay this into big bucks. A good ad man would have the two of them in a commercial together.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Heels1989

Who's that?

Oh yeah - isnt he the guy that got pissed at Aroid for crossing over his mound?

[Bigsmc]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5246454

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

I guess we shouldn't base it on who threw it, but I agree. I'm not crying about a (so far) inconsistent guy going unrewarded for a freak job. If it was Carpenter, Oswalt etc., then it'd be different. I think people need to start to question why hitters aren't making this more rare. Bad calls have been around a while. Perfect games being thrown every couple of weeks should be a concern.

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

It's not the right thing to do. It's horrible for Galarraga that he lost the perfecto, but there is no allowance in the rule book that says the commissioner can go back and change a call in the interest of fairness. Would the commish change the call if Galarraga was working on a one hitter and ended up with a two-hitter? No. Nor should he do it here. One of the most endearing elements of baseball is that it includes the errors and omissions of all its participants. Legends are created and remembered by just these kinds of mistakes. Far more memorable than pitching the 21st perfect game in baseball history will be the way Galarraga has responded: with humility, dignity and class.
















includes the human element

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I guess we shouldn't base it on who threw it, but I agree. I'm not crying about a (so far) inconsistent guy going unrewarded for a freak job. If it was Carpenter, Oswalt etc., then it'd be different. I think people need to start to question why hitters aren't making this more rare. Bad calls have been around a while. Perfect games being thrown every couple of weeks should be a concern.

Did you see the lineup Cleveland fielded last night? If baseball could be translated to beyers, last nights game would have been a raw number of 114 but been published as a 78. Choo is the only player who could start for most major league teams.

[golfer]

Overturning the call... Precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXPLw_m5MQ

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

Overturning the call... Precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXPLw_m5MQ

Not a judgement call. Plus Detroit didnt protest the game.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by golfer

Overturning the call... Precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXPLw_m5MQ

If the umpire had done something against the rules it would be different. He didn't, he just missed a judgement call, happens every day. If it comes back in three weeks that the ump had a bet on their being a one hitter then I have no problem with them making it a perfect game. Short of that, no way.

[golfer]

I just wanted to bring up the Pine Tar Incident. Heard Peter Gammons on the Dan Patrick show today explain the origin of the pine tar rule, amazing story.

The rule was instituted in 1957 by Clark Griffith, it's sole purpose was to prevent players from dirtying up the balls in batting practice, making them unusable in games. That was it. The American League President's office didn't even know this until Gammons informed them. Thus the over-turning of the decision.

[Heels1989]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Heels is going to get harded when Strausburg arrives!

Yes this is true. So much so that I now need to contact a physician
as I have been harded for a longer period then recommended.