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Old 10-26-2010, 04:10 PM
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http://www1.drf.com/tc/preakness/200...isquatorze.pdf

Look at the horses he got beat by. Hennessy, Maria's Mon, Unbridled's Song, Editor's Note, Skip Away, Will's Way, Cigar, Alphabet Soup. Every one of those horses would be a heavy favorite in the Classic (except Hennessy, being a sprinter.) He would be 3/5 against this group- or less- on his own merit.
Really?

Really?
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:35 PM
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He said different zip codes!
LOL...

both were conceived at the same location! (Lane's End)


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Really?

Really?
Yes... really.
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:52 PM
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Apparently not "epic enough" for those HotY voters…
Add in Gentlemen to that '97 handicap division and you have a tough call to make. Each of those mentioned put up multiple monster races. Shockingly, they all ran against each other, too. Imagine that.

Voters took the easy way out, especially since all but Skip Away fell by the wayside prior to the BC.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:58 AM
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This is really getting scary. Now Joe Drape saying last years one of strongest ever.

A joke

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-breeders-cup/
The first comment sounds like one of our own.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:11 AM
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The first comment sounds like one of our own.
I think Joe has lost his mind:

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Let me get a couple of things off my chest. Whether she wins or loses the Breeders’ Cup Classic on Nov. 6, Zenyatta is the Horse of the Year. End of story. She should have won that honor last year. Zenyatta beat one of the greatest fields — all boys — ever assembled last year in the Classic.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:17 AM
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Don't they say this every year?

Not even half as good as the last at Churchill.
of course they do! but somehow it comes as a surprise to some of these people. its called the MEDIA and if you believe more than half of it...you will never,never win in this game. just like trainers and owners say they have the HOY, THIS TIME EVERY YEAR......one guy says it ...they want to punch him in the face. happens every year...oh, but the nerve of that SOB.....lol..lol." i lost every race i bet on the BC but i won that crappy argument on derby trail forum...i'm good"...lol...lol. you just can't buy entertainment like this....lol. this is the best group ever assembled for the BC classic...there i wrote it too. must be true or worth crying about....lol
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:22 AM
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Oh lord. Sofa King We Todd Did.

Thanks Joe,

You hit the nail on the head perfectly. Zenyatta will crush this field. Dare I say she will break Secretariat's track record. What a way to go out!
Your're right about last year's Classic. Horses that she beat have alreay won 9 Grade 1 races since then and placed in 7 others. That is, the horses that lost to Zenyatta in the 2009 Classic have either won or placed in 16 Grade 1 races since last year.
If that doesn't seal it-then I don't what will
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:00 AM
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More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:33 AM
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More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.
Then we will begin hearing all sorts of conspiracy theories from the Zaniacs.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:39 AM
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"But at the same time, I am amazed that Zenyatta continues to be dismissed as a synthetic specialist, as a stay-at-home California horse. For three years now, everyone has known where Zenyatta was, and this year she ran nothing but Grade I races. Still, few came looking to try her."

Oh I get it. She has proved that she is more than a synthetic specialist because few fillies and mares have shipped to SoCal to face her on synthetic surfaces.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:44 PM
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More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.
....god hopefully every side will.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:49 PM
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This would have all been mercifully ended 11 months ago if they had just really retired her instead of holding a fake retirement ceremony.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:36 AM
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More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.
Who do YOU think is going to win? I've seen a lot of posts but don't remember seeing your pick yet. I'm by no means a Zeetard, but I don't see why a reasonable person wouldn't have her on a P6ticket.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:47 AM
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Who do YOU think is going to win? I've seen a lot of posts but don't remember seeing your pick yet. I'm by no means a Zeetard, but I don't see why a reasonable person wouldn't have her on a P6ticket.
Yeah, I really need to start giving out opinions and taking stands.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:13 AM
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OK. The only post I saw of yours on the Classic said Zenyatta would not be on your ticket. You didn't say who you were betting. I guess it's like that article posted earlier, people say she'll lose but don't say who they're picking to beat her. I realize it's a week away, but SURELY you have some sort of opinion on who else to toss or pick instead.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:42 AM
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Did you see Drape's piece?
Is that the one I referred to? I'm reading too much BS on this to keep it straight.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:51 AM
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Me too. . . Didn't even realize that was what everyone was talking about. It's hard to keep track of all the ridiculous hyperbole.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:57 AM
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While there are several segments of the horse racing industry that are manned with less than competent people, no area is quite as poorly represented as what passes for turf writers. The sad fact that a complete buffoon like Drape could win 2 eclipse awards is really all you need to know.

If Peter King came out tomorrow and said that he was voting for Peyton Manning for MVP regardless of what happens the rest of the season he would be savaged and probably lose his vote.

As for the comment that last years Classic was one of the strongest fields ever? The cherry on top of Drapes **** sundae.
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Old 10-28-2010, 06:15 AM
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Much like some of the prior lunacy about 'HOY even with a loss', Drape's "view" is receiving more admonishment than fawning concurrence. The last comment in the string is about as succinctly and respectfully laid out as could be...

It's unfortunate to see someone have such little respect for this great game that he would unabashedly announce his bias, at the expense of fairness and sanity, in the manner that Mr. Drape has done with this piece. As has been suggested in the preceding comments, at least several others, particularly Quality Road, Blame, and Lookin at Lucky, would be FAR more worthy Horses of the Year than Zenyatta with a Classic win. To declare, as Mr. Drape has done, that Zenyatta is Horse of the Year regardless of the Classic results, both ignores fairness and common sense. It is nothing but childish impudence by someone who will be clearly unwilling to admit he was wrong should Zenyatta run to her prior 2010 efforts and fail to make even a minor impact on this below average BC Classic field. Not only does Mr. Drape ignore her actual 2010 achievements, he ignores the actual manner in which she has performed in 2010, while unfairly chastising those that have viewed her 2010 performances with an unbiased eye. In kind, he also ignores that the reason none of these Classic hopefuls have faced her is that she has not run in one single race in 2010 that any member of this field was eligible to compete in. Mr. Drape would like readers to believe that it is others that have ducked her, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Zenyatta has had a wonderful, albeit well manicured ( so to speak ), career. She is the greatest synthetic performer of all time. Perhaps she will silence her doubters next weekend by proving this dominance extends to the dirt surface. If so, she is the deserving 2010 Horse of the Year. However, if she does not, it answers the question in a different manner, and for any voter to announce his decision before this question has been answered begs another question....should that voter really be allowed to submit a ballot?
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Old 10-28-2010, 06:28 AM
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Much like some of the prior lunacy about 'HOY even with a loss', Drape's "view" is receiving more admonishment than fawning concurrence. The last comment in the string is about as succinctly and respectfully laid out as could be...

It's unfortunate to see someone have such little respect for this great game that he would unabashedly announce his bias, at the expense of fairness and sanity, in the manner that Mr. Drape has done with this piece. As has been suggested in the preceding comments, at least several others, particularly Quality Road, Blame, and Lookin at Lucky, would be FAR more worthy Horses of the Year than Zenyatta with a Classic win. To declare, as Mr. Drape has done, that Zenyatta is Horse of the Year regardless of the Classic results, both ignores fairness and common sense. It is nothing but childish impudence by someone who will be clearly unwilling to admit he was wrong should Zenyatta run to her prior 2010 efforts and fail to make even a minor impact on this below average BC Classic field. Not only does Mr. Drape ignore her actual 2010 achievements, he ignores the actual manner in which she has performed in 2010, while unfairly chastising those that have viewed her 2010 performances with an unbiased eye. In kind, he also ignores that the reason none of these Classic hopefuls have faced her is that she has not run in one single race in 2010 that any member of this field was eligible to compete in. Mr. Drape would like readers to believe that it is others that have ducked her, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Zenyatta has had a wonderful, albeit well manicured ( so to speak ), career. She is the greatest synthetic performer of all time. Perhaps she will silence her doubters next weekend by proving this dominance extends to the dirt surface. If so, she is the deserving 2010 Horse of the Year. However, if she does not, it answers the question in a different manner, and for any voter to announce his decision before this question has been answered begs another question....should that voter really be allowed to submit a ballot?
Amen!
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