2/19- (SA): San Luis Obispo, San Carlos (G2's); San Vincente (G2)

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why in the hell would you want to bet on either of them in the Derby?

Sway Away hasn't even attempted to route yet - he's basically a very lightly raced closing sprinter with a little dressed up form now - who is way behind in the game and has to play catch up.

Maybe he really is a true router all along ... certainly possible... but why not let him prove it first next time out - while he's likely going to be wildly overbet.

Go post a thread about the wind in 1912.

I said if I had to choose between the two. Not that I want to bet either one.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I said if I had to choose between the two. Not that I want to bet either one.

Why would you have to choose between the two now for a race in May?

Are they skipping all of their remaining preps and running in the Ky Derby next time out?

This is basically why winning 3yo fantasy contests against fields of over 2k people is a peice of cake ... people make horrible strategic blunders trying to guess what will happen 3 months from now and forgetting 4 weeks from now is far more important.

[pucknut]

agree garcia is working him at the top of the strech and uses the whip mid
watch the final 16th he stops all urging about three jumps from the wire
i will admit i have a biased eye
ive been watching this horse since his maiden and love speed horses
but whats going to be even more fun is if he comes away healthy and goes distance next time

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pucknut

rock its on bloodhorse too

Lets start with the actual race. Again Sway Away IMO never really runs. He sits the dream of all dream trips. 2 horses brutally attack The Factor on the front end, at this time Sway Away is sitting last on the rail. Off the pace and saving ground. IMO Sway Away just ran OK and if I liked him coming in or bet him I would wonder to myself how he will ever get a better trip. I would wonder how it would be possible for him to get a better setup and as the races get longer and the crazy speed horses like City Cool are not running how I can get close to The Factor. I would also seriously question anyone saying he will just get better going long. Why? Stretch out sprinters now are the thing going long? I don't get it. He with the quick hype already reminds me a bit of Imperial Council. I get the trainer stats and all, but the good horses make the trainers look great.
Back to the front end of the race. City Cool is a slug, but he has serious early speed. He has 21.3-22 flat 45 flat type of real dirt speed. The Factor just disposed of him early on. Premier Pegasus also has early gas, serious early speed. If we are talking trainer stats, the stats are good with this one. He went out and went after The Factor early also, he also was a causality of The Factors true raw talent and speed. Premier Pegasus is OK. Thats what I was most impressed with. People need to understand this horse has had 2 workouts. He has basicley done nothing in 2 months.
As for actually watching the stretch run, it looks to me like Garcia is riding him pretty hard still. One could say he is in a full out drive the entire stretch run. Its OK though, remember the brutal attack inside and outside early on. He had every right to get tired late. His talent carried him home.

[dalakhani]

The factor was totally spent. He was probably short considering he only worked twice since his last race. That speed duel certainly didn't help.

I am not convinced that horse can't get two turns.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why would you have to choose between the two now for a race in May?

Are they skipping all of their remaining preps and running in the Ky Derby next time out?

This is basically why winning 3yo fantasy contests against fields of over 2k people is a peice of cake ... people make horrible strategic blunders trying to guess what will happen 3 months from now and forgetting 4 weeks from now is far more important.

Considering he entered the race with two career starts off a six month layoff Sway Away ran a solid race. Sure, the pace was fast but that track is so incredibly tilted against closers.

Does he have a lot to prove still? Absolutely but he surely gained a lot from today's race.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why would you have to choose between the two now for a race in May?

Are they skipping all of their remaining preps and running in the Ky Derby next time out?

This is basically why winning 3yo fantasy contests against fields of over 2k people is a peice of cake ... people make horrible strategic blunders trying to guess what will happen 3 months from now and forgetting 4 weeks from now is far more important.

I should have known this was all a way of you to mention the fantasy nonsense. You got me. Well done.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Considering he entered the race with two career starts off a six month layoff Sway Away ran a solid race. Sure, the pace was fast but that track is so incredibly tilted against closers.

Does he have a lot to prove still? Absolutely but he surely gained a lot from today's race.

He looked like the right horse to bet on paper in that race. I was certainly going to pick him to beat The Factor on Kasept's show Friday.

I'm not sure he did anything he shouldn't have done in that race today - and I go on facebook and read a lot of people drooling over his "great" performance today.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're fooling yourself. Garcia had him in a full drive the entire length of the stretch and he was staggering in the final 1/8th.

He got tired, but he's still moving very well for a horse who ran 43.41_ 107:31 (pending the Da Hoss' investigation) the first 6f of the race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Considering he entered the race with two career starts off a six month layoff Sway Away ran a solid race. Sure, the pace was fast but that track is so incredibly tilted against closers.

Does he have a lot to prove still? Absolutely but he surely gained a lot from today's race.

The Factor entered the race off of a 2 month layoff. With 3 works in those 2 months. Sway Away had 6 workouts since The Factors 1st of 3. Not to mention Sway Away has been pointing to this race since Thanksgiving, if not before that. The Factor was just confirmed for the race less then a week ago because of foot problems.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I should have known this was all a way of you to mention the fantasy nonsense. You got me. Well done.

you turned it into a fantasy discussion....unless PG 1985 did before you - which I don't know - because I didn't read his post. But, either way, you should know that you want neither of these horses for the Derby right now.

I hope The Factor never wins again. It's probably the most annoying name for a horse in 20 years.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I hope The Factor never wins again. It's probably the most annoying name for a horse in 20 years.

Sounds like a Jersey Shore character.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He looked like the right horse to bet on paper in that race. I was certainly going to pick him to beat The Factor on Kasept's show Friday.

I'm not sure he did anything he shouldn't have done in that race today - and I go on facebook and read a lot of people drooling over his "great" performance today.

People on facebook also drool on Uncle Mo's fan page about he and Awesome Maria going on dates. Compared to the people on Facebook, Thoroughbred Champions looks like a meeting between Andy Beyer and Steve Crist.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

you turned it into a fantasy discussion....unless PG 1985 did before you - which I don't know - because I didn't read his post. But, either way, you should know that you want neither of these horses for the Derby right now.

Is it me?

At no point did I say I wanted either. All I said was if I had to decide between the two of them in the Derby, I want Sway Away. That's it. Nothing else other than that. I'm not making future bets on either and I'm not rushing to bet either back. Just that if you made me decide between the two in the Derby, I'd take Sway Away.

If I had to make a list of horses I like in the Derby The Factor isn't near it and Sway Away isn't either (yet). I didn't say anything about liking either one in their future preps. Just that I think Sway Away has a better chance of getting the 10 furlongs at Churchill on May 7th than The Factor does.

Especially with the black cloud in The Factor's corner.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

People on facebook also drool on Uncle Mo's fan page about he and Awesome Maria going on dates. Compared to the people on Facebook, Thoroughbred Champions looks like a meeting between Andy Beyer and Steve Crist.

Yeah - I know.

The Uncle Mo page is disturbing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

At no point did I say I wanted either. All I said was if I had to decide between the two of them in the Derby, I want Sway Away. That's it.

That's a fantasy horse racing decision.

You should play!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's a fantasy horse racing decision.

You should play!

I'm playing the RTTR. Be afraid...be very afraid.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah - I know.

The Uncle Mo page is disturbing.

Brethren's is pretty bad too.

Some of the chicks that post on those pages are real whack-a-doo's..Them country chicks stay with horse cack in their mouths.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Brethren's is pretty bad too.

Some of the chicks that post on those pages are real whack-a-doo's..Them country chicks stay with horse cack in their mouths.

One thing for certain after reading those. Throughbred horses are arrogant fuks. Everything is Me-Me-Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk