Obama's World

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which point was missed?
I asked which countries we should be compared to based on this statement. You chose not to answer. I suggested it was unfair to the USA to compare this country with then un-named countries you referred to. You said first world (an antique of a term if ever there was one). I asked about population and the issues facing each nation and how any comparison could be made fairly and you replied that we are not first in anything. I ask you to show me a country that spends more, to prove YOUR point,on its poor and I get your last post as a response.
My point is proven, you are impossible to debate with, as others have pointed out many times.

My point was about the difference between the GOP and the Dems political platforms.

If you don't think America should be in the 21st century like the other big countries, you might try stating why you don't agree, and you might provide some support for your differing opinion.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

We sure should in quality of healthcare, quality of education, etc.

You realize WHY those countries are dying? Is it because of the Bush tax cuts? Or Haliburton? Or their unfunded wars in Iraq?

It is because they overspend their way out of trouble, ie our current administration. Maintaining services they could not afford. Just like we are going to be.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

My point was about the difference between the GOP and the Dems political platforms.

If you don't think America should be in the 21st century like the other big countries, you might try stating why you don't agree, and you might provide some support for your differing opinion.

The small countries cannot afford it. Neither can we.
Cooking the books is not an option.
Taxing the corporations into the Earth is not a viable option (especially the way things are in the world). They do not PAY taxes, they collect them, guess from whom they collect them?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You realize WHY those countries are dying? Is it because of the Bush tax cuts? Or Haliburton? Or their unfunded wars in Iraq?

It is because they overspend their way out of trouble, ie our current administration. Maintaining services they could not afford. Just like we are going to be.

You realize that I am talking about the factual defining measures that make up a first world country, how we are already far behind in those parameters and have been for some years, and yet the GOP wants to move us ever backwards?

[Clip-Clop]

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/201...ken-to-Pieces/

Ah the glory of the "first world".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

So...I am not crazy then. That is a relief.

It is pointless to try but we all do it. It is usually (add some liberal comment from a blog, huffington, etc) then deflect the original question, post some liberal link, deflect again. Obama is great, GOP is the devil, more government, obamacare is the greatest thing ever, Down with the GOP. I used to be a republican, deflect again. You are stupid. I am the smartest person ever and I know more than you. Repeat.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You realize that I am talking about the factual defining measures that make up a first world country, how we are already far behind in those parameters and have been for some years, and yet the GOP wants to move us ever backwards?

Please define the factors to be included in first world status and the current standards we fail to meet. Not a series of obscure things posed as questions and how we rank but actual published data that defines first world.
Also include what the Dems are doing to improve our standing in the first world so we can be like the other big countries.

Right now in this country, backwards about 12 years would be just fine.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

NO ANSWER!!!
Can's just say yes or no.

Geeshus effing cripes. Go look up what a "first world country" is on Wikipedia, see how it is defined, see where the USA falls within those parameters, and get back to me if you want to "debate" what I said.

The first thing you said what that we have more illegal aliens than the population of some other countries, and you've not gotten remotely any closer since.

Want to try again: I said, "Obama-Biden 2012, baby. Plus sweep of the Senate and House by Independents and Dems. Pull this country kicking and screaming, out of the hands of the anti-everything loons, and into the 21st century with the other big countries"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Please define the factors to be included in first world status and the current standards we fail to meet.

If you are ignorant of the subject matter, you can go to First World Countries in Wiki, read the very long and detailed articles, and get back to the discussion when you know something. You are the one attacking what I said. Asking the person you are attacking to teach you what they are talking about, after you attack them, is pretty stupid. It's admitting you don't have a clue about the subject, you're all about attack.

Again: I said, "Obama-Biden 2012, baby. Plus sweep of the Senate and House by Independents and Dems. Pull this country kicking and screaming, out of the hands of the anti-everything loons, and into the 21st century with the other big countries"

Now: if you want to debate that we are better off now than the "big countries" I explained as being "first world countries", as measured by "first world parameters", go head. Post your data and argument.

If you want to argue that the current GOP is not the following, as I explained, and is not intent upon taking us back to the 1800's as a country, go ahead: anti-women, anti-gay, anti-citizens of color, anti-immigrant, anti-education, anti-Medicare, anti-Social Security, anti-religious freedom for others, anti-environmental protection, anti-science, anti-labor, anti-worker, anti-help for poor or elderly, anti-current laws enabling freedom for others they don't like.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

It is pointless to try but we all do it. It is usually (add some liberal comment from a blog, huffington, etc) then deflect the original question, post some liberal link, deflect again. Obama is great, GOP is the devil, more government, obamacare is the greatest thing ever, Down with the GOP. I used to be a republican, deflect again. You are stupid. I am the smartest person ever and I know more than you. Repeat.

Wow. The opinions in your angry mind are interesting. I don't agree, but hey - it's hard to fight prejudices people won't drop.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geeshus effing cripes. Go look up what a "first world country" is on Wikipedia, see how it is defined, see where the USA falls within those parameters, and get back to me if you want to "debate" what I said.

The first thing you said what that we have more illegal aliens than the population of some other countries, and you've not gotten remotely any closer since.

Want to try again: I said, "Obama-Biden 2012, baby. Plus sweep of the Senate and House by Independents and Dems. Pull this country kicking and screaming, out of the hands of the anti-everything loons, and into the 21st century with the other big countries"

This is your second response (no answer) to the question of whether you knew what the unemployment % is in Ireland (it's pretty high).
Wiki is the definer of first world nations, copy. I will go and check that infallible resource to learn what some guy thinks first world means and where we stand in his opinion.
Well played.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wow. The opinions in your angry mind are interesting.

Just the facts. No anger or hatred on my end. I can admit when I am wrong. In this I am not wrong. Why don't you look at your posts? You hardly ever answer a question and 90% of your links are from liberal blogs, newspapers, etc. When people ask you for a simple yes/no answer you can't do it. You have NEVER admitted when you were wrong.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

This is your second response (no answer) to the question of whether you knew what the unemployment % is in Ireland (it's pretty high). Wiki is the definer of first world nations, copy. I will go and check that infallible resource to learn what some guy thinks first world means and where we stand in his opinion.
Well played.

Whinging away isn't a very good debate strategy. Once more:

I said, "Obama-Biden 2012, baby. Plus sweep of the Senate and House by Independents and Dems. Pull this country kicking and screaming, out of the hands of the anti-everything loons, and into the 21st century with the other big countries"

Now: if you want to debate that we are better off now than the "big countries", which I explained I meant as being "first world countries", as measured by "first world parameters", go head. Post your data and argument.

If you want to argue that the current GOP is not the following, as I explained, and is not intent upon taking us back to the 1800's as a country, go ahead: anti-women, anti-gay, anti-citizens of color, anti-immigrant, anti-education, anti-Medicare, anti-Social Security, anti-religious freedom for others, anti-environmental protection, anti-science, anti-labor, anti-worker, anti-help for poor or elderly, anti-current laws enabling freedom for others they don't like.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Whinging away isn't a very good debate strategy. Once more:

I said, "Obama-Biden 2012, baby. Plus sweep of the Senate and House by Independents and Dems. Pull this country kicking and screaming, out of the hands of the anti-everything loons, and into the 21st century with the other big countries"

Now: if you want to debate that we are better off now than the "big countries", which I explained I meant as being "first world countries", as measured by "first world parameters", go head. Post your data and argument.

If you want to argue that the current GOP is not the following, as I explained, and is not intent upon taking us back to the 1800's as a country, go ahead: anti-women, anti-gay, anti-citizens of color, anti-immigrant, anti-education, anti-Medicare, anti-Social Security, anti-religious freedom for others, anti-environmental protection, anti-science, anti-labor, anti-worker, anti-help for poor or elderly, anti-current laws enabling freedom for others they don't like.

Research, data, proof and arguments are all pointless against faith. Faith is what you have and it cannot be deterred or proven false, never could, never will. You believe things to be true and therefore they are, there is no proving the alternative (even in theoretical) you are no different than Santorum, just the agenda and the deity.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Research, data, proof and arguments are all pointless against faith. Faith is what you have

What nonsense.

Our standing re: education, homelessness, quality of life, poverty, quality of healthcare, etc. is what it is measured to be among the other "big" countries, and we are behind, and have been for some time.

The Republicans have zero intention of advancing this country in any of those matters.

That has nothing at all to do with "faith".

Your failure to bring an argument to the table against those two statements has nothing to do with my "faith", in the least.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Just the facts. No anger or hatred on my end. I can admit when I am wrong. In this I am not wrong. Why don't you look at your posts? You hardly ever answer a question and 90% of your links are from liberal blogs, newspapers, etc. When people ask you for a simple yes/no answer you can't do it. You have NEVER admitted when you were wrong.

You apparently don't click on the links much :-)

I've said, to the other times you've posted the same, that I don't think you are stupid, nor do I think I'm the smartest person ever, and yeah, I most certainly have admitted I was wrong here. You deliberately ignore that, refuse to acknowledge it, and here you are pushing that very same victim meme again.

You're a one trick pony, and that's being an angry victim of those you hate.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You apparently don't click on the links much :-)

I've said, to the other times you've posted the same, that I don't think you are stupid, nor do I think I'm the smartest person ever, and yeah, I most certainly have admitted I was wrong here. You deliberately ignore that, refuse to acknowledge it, and here you are pushing that very same victim meme again.

You're a one trick pony, and that's being an angry victim of those you hate.

I am not angry nor do I have any hate. I like to stick to facts and not the ones on Wikipedia. I don't post from blogs or sites that are strictly one sided

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I am not angry nor do I have any hate. I like to stick to facts and not the ones on Wikipedia. I don't post from blogs or sites that are strictly one sided

Then I look forward to you no longer saying I think things I have told you I do not, and not having you get angry and personally insulting over issues in Wisconsin

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then I look forward to you no longer saying I think things I have told you I do not, and not having you get angry and personally insulting over issues in Wisconsin

ON Wisconsin! Go Badgers, Bucks, Brewers and of course the Green Bay Packers! oh yeah Walker wins again! Can't wait!

[dellinger63]

Glad to see the neglected daughter who survived the earthquake in Mexico is OK.

Nice spring break. Does she go to one of those 1% schools? How long do they get for spring break?



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