How Selfish Can Omama Be

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What you don't get is Trump already looks like a fool. This stunt of his backfired badly and the only ones who don't seem to get it are you and Dell.

shocking

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

A birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper is not evidence of anything. If your parents were going to announce the birth of your child in the newspaper, would they cancel the announcement if you gave birth overseas? I have never understood that argument. Obama's mom lived in Hawaii. She was pregnant in Hawaii. If she did in fact go to Kenya to be with Barack's father for the delivery, why would her parents not post news of the birth in the newspaper? Maybe Barack was born in Hawaii, but the newspaper announcement is not evidence of anything, one way or the other.

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

[Antitrust32]

what an incredible thread.

its kind of sad what we argue about close to election time. A bet from The Don to the President of the USA.

i wish a third party had a chance

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

No, it's not.

But since I haven't seen the mainstream media admitting Romney has released far more details about his plan than Obama did in 2008, can you provide a link or something? Not saying you're wrong, I just haven't seen it.

I'll see if I can find anything about it in print. I heard it on CNN after one of the debates. When criticism about the lack of specifics came up about Romney's plan, one of the commentators said something to the effect of, "In fairness to Romney, he has released more details of his plan than candidates in the past and much more of a detailed plan than Obama gave in 2008." The reporter then referenced several other past Presidents and said that they did not give many specifics about their plan.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

i can't believe this is still brought up as a legitimate point of contention. with the untold mound of money available to the republican party, does anyone really think that this nonstory hasn't already been investigated? if there was a shot in hell that obama was indeed 'not a citizen' (which is absurd) i am absolutely positive that the republican national party would have already had a huge announcement long before now.
election day can't get here soon enough. i'm sick of the whole sordid mess.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What you don't get is Trump already looks like a fool. This stunt of his backfired badly and the only ones who don't seem to get it are you and Dell.

I tend to agree with you although I think your point is a little overstated. I don't know if Trump looks like a fool but I don't think too many people care about the Trump offer. I don't think Trump has all that much credibility. The media is kind of making a joke out of it and that obviously doesn't help Trump.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

Obama's mother was certainly an American citizen. I think it is somewhat of a gray area with regard to whether he would be eligible to run for President if he was in fact born overseas. You could make a legitimate argument that even if he was born in Kenya and spent his first few months of life in Kenya, he should still be eligible to run for President. I mean the guy is an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can't believe this is still brought up as a legitimate point of contention. with the untold mound of money available to the republican party, does anyone really think that this nonstory hasn't already been investigated? if there was a shot in hell that obama was indeed 'not a citizen' (which is absurd) i am absolutely positive that the republican national party would have already had a huge announcement long before now.
election day can't get here soon enough. i'm sick of the whole sordid mess.

You have plenty of company..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The President already revealed Donald Trump as a conspiracy loon by releasing his long form birth certificate.

Trump has been eating crow.
Trump was proven wrong.
Trump is too stupid to realize he's become a laughingstock.

Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, into a polygamist cult, and nobody is demanding Romney's birth certificate. Silence.

John Sununu, Mitt Romney's favorite dog-whistle blower, was born in Cuba. Silence.

John McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone. Nobody asks for his birth certificate. Silence.

Barack Obama's father was born in Kenya, yet the demands never shut up, even after all the facts show he was beyond a doubt born in Hawaii. That's racism.

Nobody has disputed where McCain, Romney, or Sununu were born. If people start disputing it then it could be an issue. But since there has never been any evidence disputing it, it has never been an issue.

I think you are way off base about thinking it is racism. If it was simply racism, why haven't other black candidates been questioned about where they were born? Jesse Jackson ran for President. Nobody questioned where he was born. Herman Cain ran for President. Nobody questioned where he was born. When Clarence Thomas was elected to the Supreme Court, did anyone question where he was born? Has anyone ever questioned where Alan Keyes or Colin Powell were born?

Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not, there has certainly been enough stuff out there that would make any logical person wonder. First of all, he first claimed he was born in one hospital. Then he changed his story and claimed he was born in a different hospital. I could go on and on.

Going back to the subject of his literary agency saying that he was born in Kenya, the agency claims that his agent's intern wrote the bio. If nobody told the intern that Obama was born in Kenya, then why did she write that he was born in Kenya? Where did she come up with that? Did it just come out of thin air? Are you saying that nobody told her that he was born in Kenya but she just decided to write it any way? I can't think of any logical explanation. But even if you can come up with some ridiculous explanation, then you still have to explain why his agent didn't correct the mistake. It is beyond far-fetched to think that a successful literary agent would allow a bio written by an intern to be distributed without the agent reading it first. The agent would have obviously read it and if there were any mistakes in the bio, the agent would have corrected it.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Obama's mother was certainly an American citizen. I think it is somewhat of a gray area with regard to whether he would be eligible to run for President if he was in fact born overseas. You could make a legitimate argument that even if he was born in Kenya and spent his first few months of life in Kenya, he should still be eligible to run for President. I mean the guy is an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

so "most constitutional scholars" have agreed on the meaning of a term that was undefined in the constitution itself. interesting.

how did they get around the naturalization act of 1790 which stated "the children of citizens of the united states that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the united states, shall be considered as natural born citizens."?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

so "most constitutional scholars" have agreed on the meaning of a term that was undefined in the constitution itself. interesting.

how did they get around the naturalization act of 1790 which stated "the children of citizens of the united states that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the united states, shall be considered as natural born citizens."?

As I said, it is somewhat of a gray area. I thought that the majority of scholars believed that it meant that you had to be born here. However, I could be totally wrong about that. The mainstream media doesn't talk much about the subject. I get some of my info on the subject from WND and granted you need to take things that you read there with somewhat of a grain of salt. At least I know that I need to take it with a grain of salt. Some of the lefties here think that anything they read at the Daily Kos is gospel.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As I said, it is somewhat of a gray area. I thought that the majority of scholars believed that it meant that you had to be born here. However, I could be totally wrong about that. The mainstream media doesn't talk much about the subject. I get some of my info on the subject from WND and granted you need to take things that you read there with somewhat of a grain of salt. At least I know that I need to take it with a grain of salt. Some of the lefties here think that anything they read at the Daily Kos is gospel.

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love all the Obama Haters saying yes, the President of the United States should immediately give in to extortion by a has-been clown

It's simply sad to see you guys are so serious in your belief that the President is not a US citizen. That was made up by the Clinton campaign in 2008. Gullible isn't a big enough word to describe you guys.

You seem to think that people who question Obama's birthplace are racists. Since the Clinton campaign was the first one to question his birthplace, do you think the Clinton campaign was made up of racists?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

I don't know if Bigfoot is a good comparison. The percentage of people that believe in Bigfoot is probably about 1/10th of 1%. Do you know what percentage of people believe that Obama was born overseas? It is around 30%. More than 50% of republicans believe Obama was not born in the US. Actually, according to the Huffingtonpost, over 60% of republicans believe Obama was not born in the US.

So whether it is true or not, it is not some crazy theory that only a few people believe.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brenda...b_1718794.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Nobody has disputed where McCain, Romney, or Sununu were born. If people start disputing it then it could be an issue. But since there has never been any evidence disputing it, it has never been an issue.

Rup, that's the entire point - nobody even bothers to ask or question. It doesn't even cross their minds to question those guys because they are white.

The attacks on Obama over the past six years have been outrageous. There are no deep, dark secrets. Trump with his "we know nothing about this president" is just a silly lie. How dare he say such crap.

Obama's life is an open book, he's written two books, there are tons of people that knew him when he worked privately as a lawyer, and at school. His life is out there, readily verified. And HAS been verified, repeatedly.

I can't believe the right wing conspiracy loons who believe differently. They literally deny the existence of fact.

His mother is a whiter-than-white American citizen from Kansas. His grandparents are whiter-than-white Kansas small-town Americans, his father fought in WW2, his mother worked at a bank.

Like John McCain, like George Romney, it would not matter where Obama was born, he has American citizenship automatically due to his mother being a citizen.

But Obama is painted as foreign and dangerous, and the white guys are not even questioned.

But the facts are, he was born in Hawaii. Proven beyond a doubt. The US government vets birth certificates when the candidate applies to run for President, and nobody ever questioned the truth that the guy was born in the United States.

It's 100% political smear as "the other" "he's dangerous" "he's not one of us". The fact that this guys citizenship was even questioned, that it had to be proven, that this candidate was and is repeated smeared and painted as "the other" "the Kenyan" "the Muslim" is, indeed, simply racism.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

Then how come John McCain and George Romney were allowed to run for President?

Neither was born in the USA. But they were born to American citizens, exactly like Obama.

So whether it is true or not, it is not some crazy theory that only a few people believe.

The only reason people believe it is that they were deliberately fed that, thanks to Sarah Palin and Fox News in 2008, and picked up by the other right wing conservative sites, and it became a self-fullfilling thing.

Nobody questioned Obama until a minor campaign aid in the Hillary campaign deliberately sent around an e-mail raising the question. Then McCain and Palin picked up on it. Of course they did - xenophobia wins!

Look at you - - there is zero that would convince you 100% that Obama is an American citizen. The birth certificate? Not good enough. The long-form birth certificate guaranteed by the GOP Governor of Hawai'i as real? Disbelieved. Questioned. The hospital announcements of the birth in the newspaper? Questioned. The people who know Obama's mother when he was born? Questioned.

People are so gullible and believe what they are told. Remember the old woman who told McCain Obama was an Arab?

And yes, this is exactly like believing in Chupacabra, BigFoot, aliens in Roswell, and 9-11 Truthers. Exactly the same thing.

Rupert: Lee Atwater. Willie Horton. Racism and xenophobia is the one reliable way to energize the Republican Party base, after southern white Democrats abandoned the Democratic party when Lyndon Johnson ensured voting rights for blacks in the 1960's, and became sudden Republicans.

It is a deliberate political strategy, and it's being used by John Sununu daily on behalf of Mitt Romney right now. McCain hated it, Palin used it against his desires. Hillary was against it, but some of her surrogates tried it on Obama. And of course the screaming monkeys of the right wing, like Hannity and Beck, just grabbed it and took off. Of course "60% of people" believe. They are gullible and they've heard it so often there must be something to it. Like Santa Clause and BigFoot.

[Riot]

Why do people believe this crazy made-up stuff? Because via the internet, they are readily fed support for their delusions (they used to have to buy pamphlets and books and it was harder for the crazies to find each other)

For example: Wikipedia:

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories—allegations that he secretly follows a non-Christian religion, or that he is the antichrist—have been suggested ever since Barack Obama began his campaign to become President of the United States in 2007. As with the Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories, these false claims are promoted by various fringe theorists and political opponents.[1][2]

But if you go to Conservapedia (facts the way we like 'em) you can read a xenophobes dream:

Barack Hussein Obama is possibly the first Muslim president of the United States, as illustrated by his many actions and comments both before and after taking the official (private) oath of office without using a Bible. While there is a strong political incentive for Obama to claim to be a Christian, as he has done whenever discussing his religion, all credible evidence, other than the fact that he attends a Christian church, points to Islam as his religion:

Well, other than the fact he has never, ever given any demonstration that he is Muslim. You know, all those Rev. Wright years he gets attacked for, too? Which is it? Muslim or radical Black Church Guy?

And the fact he put his hand on a bible for the oath of office.

You see, for normal people, "Muslim" is just another religion like "Catholic" or "Evangelical Christian" or "Jewish" or "Protestant". Perfectly legal and welcomed in the US, and hardly disqualifying for anything at all under our Constitution. Yes, we have Muslims in Congress, and a Muslim could certainly be President, or on the Supreme Court. Constitution, remember? Freedom of religion here?

For non-normal xenophobic haters, being Muslim is like being the devil. So other than the guy going to a Christian church for decades, saying he was born-again, attending a catholic school as a kid, getting married in a Christian church, raising his kids Christian, getting sworn in on a bible - well, it all clearly points, other than all those pesky facts, to his being ... gasp! ... Muslim!

[bigrun]

Speaking of Bigfoot...


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...hp&form=msnrll

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Speaking of Bigfoot...


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...hp&form=msnrll

Fortunately Bigfoot can't read and isn't a muslim because can you imagine him reading,

"Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

The woods would be a whole lot scarier.

And don't blame me, blame the guy who wrote the book!

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

You know it all, smug puss.y of a man.


Now you want us to believe the mainstream media is credible. I mean this sincerely, you fuc.king pond scum imbecile...

May you be wrong a billion times, ****. And may it come at your door and sweep you away so I don't have to read any more of your Super Government Limp-Wristed Chevy VOlt driving nonsense.