welfare vs wages

[dellinger63]

If minimum wage should be adjusted because of rising costs of living shouldn't the minimum retirement age be raised because of rising average lifespans?

Sure could give the budget a huge break if we went from 65 to 75 or even 70. After all it was this group that had all those middle class jobs and surely they were wise enough to save.

[Danzig]

saw this in todays paper...

http://www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2013/09/24

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

saw this in todays paper...

http://www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2013/09/24

I call that and raise you this one

[dellinger63]

'Currently, 47 million Americans benefit from SNAP, but that number is expected to be greatly reduced once the economy recovers.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wa...b_3956677.html

Some things just don't pass the smell taste.

Since '08, 18.38 million were added to the program. So if the author is correct in his expectations the economy has not recovered and in fact has gotten worse over the past five years. And if there's any correlation between the percentage of the rise in food stamp recipients and the economy it may be as high as 38% worse.

Cutting 4 million or 21% of those added since '08 may just be prudent pruning. Seems to me if the economy has improved and I certainly think it has since '08 the number cut should be more along the lines of 18 million.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wa...b_3956677.html

Some things just don't pass the smell taste.

Since '08, 18.38 million were added to the program. So if the author is correct in his expectations the economy has not recovered and in fact has gotten worse over the past five years. And if there's any correlation between the percentage of the rise in food stamp recipients and the economy it may be as high as 38% worse.

Cutting 4 million or 21% of those added since '08 may just be prudent pruning. Seems to me if the economy has improved and I certainly think it has since '08 the number cut should be more along the lines of 18 million.

I think in the last 5 years you have people that have seen the Richest of the Rich get rewarded with bailouts while their situation stayed the same or got worse. I think a lot of folks today simply are saying wtf I will get every handout possible. Look at Americas biggest growth industry, disability claims. They are sky-rocketing. We have lost our way and it starts from the very top. Our congressional leadership.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I think in the last 5 years you have people that have seen the Richest of the Rich get rewarded with bailouts while their situation stayed the same or got worse. I think a lot of folks today simply are saying wtf I will get every handout possible. Look at Americas biggest growth industry, disability claims. They are sky-rocketing. We have lost our way and it starts from the very top. Our congressional NON leadership.

ftfy

yes, it's hard to say 'try hard and work hard' when we see corruption and fraud get rewarded, constantly.
then there's the congressman who recently whined how he's 'stuck' in d.c., making over 170k a year. poor little fella. that's over three times the average yearly salary per household.

[GenuineRisk]

The majority of those who receive SNAP benefits are the elderly and children. Which of them would you cut in your "pruning," Dell? The elderly or the children? Or maybe the disabled? Between those three, that's 83 percent of households receiving benefits.

SNAP has less fraud and waste in it than Medicare. How about we cut Medicare instead, and let old people fend for themselves so the rich doctors defrauding Medicare get their just desserts?

Here are a couple of stats about SNAP. More at the link; well worth reading to understand the program a bit:

The average SNAP household has a gross monthly income of $744; net monthly income of $338 after the standard deduction and, for certain households, deductions for child care, medical expenses, and shelter costs; and countable resources of $331, such as a bank account.[iii]
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Two-thirds of all SNAP payment errors are a result of caseworker error. Nearly one-fifth are underpayments, which occur when eligible participants receive less in benefits than they are eligible to receive.[viii]
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The average monthly SNAP benefit per person is $133.85, or less than $1.50 per person, per meal.

http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fig...realities.aspx

But much better to keep farm subsidies going to millionaires who get paid because their rich dad died and left them fallow farmland than to feed poor kids.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

But much better to keep farm subsidies going to millionaires who get paid because their rich dad died and left them fallow farmland than to feed poor kids.

Or send billions to countries whose majority want Israel annihilated.

I'm not against cutting farm subsidies or even raising taxes but with a debt that may or may not be payable I suggest using the money and a lot of other subsidy/entitlement money in the future to tackling it.

Bottom line is if you believe the economy has gotten better under Obama, the author's assertion that the SNAP rolls will decrease greatly once the economy improves is not only false, it's the opposite of what actually occurred under the very scenario presented in his article.

Cutting farm subsidies and raising taxes just as raising the debt ceiling will do nothing but be wasted unless it's dedicated to paying down the debt.

Obama's analogy of buying a Ford truck on credit and then needing to pay the note each month was fine only he needed to be paying that note on a credit card, asking the bank to raise his credit limit every year, driving that truck down the road throwing money out the windows.

In the real world he'd be cut off.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The majority of those who receive SNAP benefits are the elderly and children. Which of them would you cut in your "pruning," Dell? The elderly or the children? Or maybe the disabled? Between those three, that's 83 percent of households receiving benefits.

SNAP has less fraud and waste in it than Medicare. How about we cut Medicare instead, and let old people fend for themselves so the rich doctors defrauding Medicare get their just desserts?

Here are a couple of stats about SNAP. More at the link; well worth reading to understand the program a bit:


http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fig...realities.aspx

But much better to keep farm subsidies going to millionaires who get paid because their rich dad died and left them fallow farmland than to feed poor kids.

so, the old, the young, and the disabled.....perhaps euthanasia is the answer, decrease the surplus population. after all, two of the thrre groups dont have much upside.
an added bonus--more money for corporate subsidies.

[Danzig]

http://news.msn.com/us/many-fast-foo...sistance-study

the pro-labor National Employment Law Project found that the 10 largest fast-food companies in the United States cost taxpayers more than $3.8 billion each year in public assistance because the workers do not make enough to pay for basic necessities themselves.


Overall, families with a working member account for 73 percent of all enrollments, amounting to two-thirds of all public benefits spending, the study said.

In other types of service work, such as maintenance, laundry and personal services, the researchers found that one-third of employees are enrolled in public assistance programs, as were about 30 percent of workers in the retail and hospitality sectors.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

In other types of service work, such as maintenance, laundry and personal services, the researchers found that one-third of employees are enrolled in public assistance programs, as were about 30 percent of workers in the retail and hospitality sectors.[/b]

Not sure what the point of the article is other than pointing out minimum wage workers in the fast food industry receive public assistance at double the rate as other minimum wage workers.

I think many fast food workers are overpaid judging from my few visits to McDonalds.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Not sure what the point of the article is other than pointing out minimum wage workers in the fast food industry receive public assistance at double the rate as other minimum wage workers.

I think many fast food workers are overpaid judging from my few visits to McDonalds.

My apologies to mickey d workers

Four new items in four months? That's only 30 days to learn the new item before you introduce another. Do you know how hard it is to pronounce blueberry pomegranate smoothie much less identify the button you have to push to make it?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...98432499699844

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...employees.html

'But corporate America as a whole has been so successful in squeezing the labor share of national income lower and lower that it's become a substantial constraint to businesses' ability to sell things to people. The cycle of low wages, low demand, weak hiring, weak bargaining power, and low wages just keeps grinding on.'


you'd think corporations would understand that if they paid more, their employees would spend more, thus driving up demand and creating jobs-with more people making money, spending more, etc

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...employees.html

'But corporate America as a whole has been so successful in squeezing the labor share of national income lower and lower that it's become a substantial constraint to businesses' ability to sell things to people. The cycle of low wages, low demand, weak hiring, weak bargaining power, and low wages just keeps grinding on.'


you'd think corporations would understand that if they paid more, their employees would spend more, thus driving up demand and creating jobs-with more people making money, spending more, etc

They only need to paint a pretty picture for the next earnings report so they can dump their options into a market being supported by fed dollars. The race to the bottom continues.

[jms62]

D.C. awash in contracts, lobbying wealth : Stltoday
http://www.stltoday.com/news/nationa...d3186a960.html

[jms62]

.... the definition of Chutzpah ...

Wal-Mart Asks Customers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

http://www.businessinsider.com/walma...e-food-2013-11

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

.... the definition of Chutzpah ...

Wal-Mart Asks Customers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

http://www.businessinsider.com/walma...e-food-2013-11

That really is crazy.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

.... the definition of Chutzpah ...

Wal-Mart Asks Customers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

http://www.businessinsider.com/walma...e-food-2013-11

The original version of this story stated that Wal-Mart was asking customers to donate food. The food drive is actually among employees.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

.... the definition of Chutzpah ...

Wal-Mart Asks Customers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

http://www.businessinsider.com/walma...e-food-2013-11

that's what i'd linked to a couple posts back, slate had an article on it.

it is ridiculous that workers in this country need help. there's no excuse for it, other than corporate greed, with millions going to those at the very top of the company food chain, while many at the bottom have to get assistance from the govt (taxpayers). and that's no excuse at all-it's an explanation as to why.
the govt, who doles out subsidies to many of these businesses, and has been put on the hook by the same to subsidize employees, must take immediate action. raise the minimum wage back to where it used to be, at a level that keeps people above the poverty line like it did before!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's what i'd linked to a couple posts back, slate had an article on it.

it is ridiculous that workers in this country need help. there's no excuse for it, other than corporate greed, with millions going to those at the very top of the company food chain, while many at the bottom have to get assistance from the govt (taxpayers). and that's no excuse at all-it's an explanation as to why.
the govt, who doles out subsidies to many of these businesses, and has been put on the hook by the same to subsidize employees, must take immediate action. raise the minimum wage back to where it used to be, at a level that keeps people above the poverty line like it did before!

Yet the brainwashed slaves defend the slave masters.