Where's the Scat Daddy Thread?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by oracle80

No Hooves, you don't get it. I don't think he "passed" the JCGC, they wanted to run.

ok... i dont think so...as it turns out they won so congrats to them..

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

LMAO!!! Good lord, I haven't laughed all week... but that was hilarious.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It certainly says a lot about the people you have met.

And, frankly, who cares?

I don't...you were the one who ridiculously thought you were so reknowned in the industry that last week you said that "you had so much to lose and nothing to gain" by a friendly handicap-off....please

You're probably right....I don't know anyone important in this game......

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

BTW, I think the earnings picture is going to be very interesting for the Derby next year. With the BC Juvenile purse being $2 million it puts the top four in. Now the Delta Jackpot is a G3 so that $1 million race will get 2-3 horses in. The Blue Grass could put some unexpected horses in the race if turfy 3yos point there. Not to mention that any of the top three fillies from the BC Juv Fillies would have enough earnings if they wanted to run (God I hope not). I have a feeling we could see a horse with right around $200,000 in graded stakes earnings get shut out of the field this year.

I couldnt agree more. The Delta Jackpot being a Graded Race is HUGE. I will be real interested to see if that race produces any Derby horses. I love that it finally got a Graded status. I also will be wondering what major trainers are going to put their 2nd string in that race.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

now that there is funny i don't care who you are.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

BTW, I think the earnings picture is going to be very interesting for the Derby next year. With the BC Juvenile purse being $2 million it puts the top four in. Now the Delta Jackpot is a G3 so that $1 million race will get 2-3 horses in. The Blue Grass could put some unexpected horses in the race if turfy 3yos point there. Not to mention that any of the top three fillies from the BC Juv Fillies would have enough earnings if they wanted to run (God I hope not). I have a feeling we could see a horse with right around $200,000 in graded stakes earnings get shut out of the field this year.

That is interesting.

Good thing for John Ward he doesn't have any TC contendors this year.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Anyone who can really analyze a race whose opinions I value have all agreed that the horse didn't fire his best shot and still only got beat a length...

Joel, this is equivalent to saying that I value the opinions of all the people who agree with me and the ones who don't agree with me don't really know how to analyze races. It doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you have tuned out a lot of very knowledgable people.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I still think he was a better horse than Ghostzapper but we only got to see half of the show, as he projected to be a better 4-year-old with his pedigree and a little more seasoning. And yes, I avoided the sharks in the water like you who get off on trying to prove people wrong. Anyone who can really analyze a race whose opinions I value have all agreed that the horse didn't fire his best shot and still only got beat a length....far more nice horses didn't fire thier best shots in the race and still got beat a lot worse in the race....

Oh, and he cruised by a loose Wanderin Boy with ease last out and that horse is faster than Brother Derek FYI.....You should know that being a Zito fanatic...

Its a good thing you didn't take me up on the handicap-off last weekend as you had better done exceptionally well to win that one.....(since you had SO much to lose )

You're delusional if you really think he was better than Ghostzapper.
Do I really need to match their credentials? No... but I will.

Bernardini:
G3 at 8F, G2 at 9F, G1 at 9.5F, 2 G1's at 10F+ a second in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were good, not legendary.

Ghostzapper:
G1 at 6.5F, G2 at 7F, G1 at 8F (the most important dirt mile), G1+G3 at 9F, G1 at 10F in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were the best of the last 20 years.

No comparison.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

BTW, I think the earnings picture is going to be very interesting for the Derby next year. With the BC Juvenile purse being $2 million it puts the top four in. Now the Delta Jackpot is a G3 so that $1 million race will get 2-3 horses in. The Blue Grass could put some unexpected horses in the race if turfy 3yos point there. Not to mention that any of the top three fillies from the BC Juv Fillies would have enough earnings if they wanted to run (God I hope not). I have a feeling we could see a horse with right around $200,000 in graded stakes earnings get shut out of the field this year.

am I the only one who thinks that the graded earnings during the 3YO season should be weighted to count more than the 2YO earnings? Seems like what they did the year before is not always indicative of who should be in the race on the 1st Saturday in May.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

am I the only one who thinks that the graded earnings during the 3YO season should be weighted to count more than the 2YO earnings? Seems like what they did the year before is not always indicative of who should be in the race on the 1st Saturday in May.

Totally, I think a points system would be way more effective. Why should the Delta Jackpot be worth more than the Wood Memorial? It is a ridiculous system.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

am I the only one who thinks that the graded earnings during the 3YO season should be weighted to count more than the 2YO earnings? Seems like what they did the year before is not always indicative of who should be in the race on the 1st Saturday in May.

absolutely, it would help prevent horses getting in that don't belong and it would help to keep quality late bloomers in the mix. I don't know what the formula should be but that can be worked out.

I dont know how a point system should work. Do you get 1 pt for a grade III, 2 pts for a Grade II and 1 pt for a Grade I victory. Then why do you do with the races that pay down to the 5th, 6th, 7th etc etc place? I like the earnings and I think it works perfectly. You have to run to get in. And it is looking like you need to run more and more to get a spot.

I think that money earned in grass races shouldnt count towards the earnings used to determine Derby Contenders.
I also think that a scale where grade one earnings count more than grade two which count more than grade 3's should apply as well.
Its completely illogical for the Delta jackpot earnings to count as much as the Wood memorial.
Its a system that needs revising and progressive moves.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Joel, this is equivalent to saying that I value the opinions of all the people who agree with me and the ones who don't agree with me don't really know how to analyze races. It doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you have tuned out a lot of very knowledgable people.

No two people in this game have alike opinions.......my opinions vary siginificantly with some of those whom I respect and value as credible.....It is the convictions they have based on their instincts and knowledge that make them solid horse analysts IMO....so it is general fundamentals and principles moreso than their opinions on specific things....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

am I the only one who thinks that the graded earnings during the 3YO season should be weighted to count more than the 2YO earnings? Seems like what they did the year before is not always indicative of who should be in the race on the 1st Saturday in May.

I don't have an answer but something is wrong. I think the BC should be weighed as heavily as 3YO races. Maybe earnings should be capped by Grade or you get different points for finishes depending on Grade.

Something is wrong that's for sure.

Originally Posted by philcski

You're delusional if you really think he was better than Ghostzapper.
Do I really need to match their credentials? No... but I will.

Bernardini:
G3 at 8F, G2 at 9F, G1 at 9.5F, 2 G1's at 10F+ a second in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were good, not legendary.

Ghostzapper:
G1 at 6.5F, G2 at 7F, G1 at 8F (the most important dirt mile), G1+G3 at 9F, G1 at 10F in the world's biggest dirt race. Speed figures were the best of the last 20 years.

No comparison.

You can only match their 3-year-old credentials...anything else would be foolish and unfair since Bernie didn't have the chance to blossom into a better older horse......Oh yeah, GZ was crippled most of his 3-year-old year...sorry, I forgot....

I just have to say who I know in this game.

Joe - he is the man that parks my car at Hoosier. He always has great inside information.

Betty - she is always my server at Hoosier. She is fast and energetic. I alwasy tip her well.

Beatrice - she is the teller I go to at Hoosier. She also has good inside information.

Dominque - he is the bus boy at Hoosier. he doesnt say much but he does work hard.

These are just a few people who I know in this game. After all, they work at the track so they must be part of the game.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont know how a point system should work. Do you get 1 pt for a grade III, 2 pts for a Grade II and 1 pt for a Grade I victory. Then why do you do with the races that pay down to the 5th, 6th, 7th etc etc place? I like the earnings and I think it works perfectly. You have to run to get in. And it is looking like you need to run more and more to get a spot.

They could work something out, points for the top five in each race with G1s counting more than G2, counting more than G3s, counting more than ungraded stakes. Routes counting more than sprints, 3yo races counting more than 2yo races. It wouldn't be that difficult.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They could work something out, points for the top five in each race with G1s counting more than G2, counting more than G3s, counting more than ungraded stakes. Routes counting more than sprints, 3yo races counting more than 2yo races. It wouldn't be that difficult.

See I dont really think that a Grade II should count less. The Arkansas Derby is a Grade II. Why should that count differently from the Bluegrass, SA Derby or the Wood?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

just saw street sence replay on tvg..hi ho calvin....nice pick andy..