Ravel, How good is he ?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

biancone has very nice 3 yr turf horse.... the name is, well i forgot the name but he ran Nov, 25 on that stars of tommorw card that churchill ran, he actually beat a pletcher horse and it might have been Twilight Meteor.

That's a wealth of information.

Come on, if you are going to throw up a post like that, at least look the race up and throw the actual names in there.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

That's a wealth of information.

Come on, if you are going to throw up a post like that, at least look the race up and throw the actual names in there.

No way man! I totally remember the horse he is talking about. I think he MIGHT have been sort-of brownish in color. He also had 4 legs. I think.
I can't remember the name of the jock.......but he wasn't a very big guy I can tell you that.
Know who he means now?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by miraja2

No way man! I totally remember the horse he is talking about. I think he MIGHT have been sort-of brownish in color. He also had 4 legs. I think.
I can't remember the name of the jock.......but he wasn't a very big guy I can tell you that.
Know who he means now?

I saw that one! I liked him too. I think he will be one to keep an eye on later in the season.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I saw that one! I liked him too. I think he will be one to keep an eye on later in the season.

How did he move on the track compared to his 2yr old sale video?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I have to assume that much of the hype surrounding this colt is pedigree-related.
Based on performance alone, he probably doesn't belong in anyone's top-5 derby horse lists. However, anytime a colt that is by FuPeg and out of a graded-stakes winning AP Indy mare wins ANY Derby prep, there is going to be more hype than there would be (and perhaps should be) for some horse with a different pedigree.
I put him on my top5-list in part for this reason. I don't think he is one of the top five 3yos in training right now overall, but in terms of having the ability to get 10f effectively, I think he is perhaps more likely to do that than others who may be more talented at say......8.5f.
Am I right? Who knows.

I really agree with this assessment...being in the hands of Pletcher certainly helps as well.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

How did he move on the track compared to his 2yr old sale video?

I didn't see the sale video actually, but on the track he was great! He went in the right direction and made all the correct turns. Got him on my watchlist.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

No way man! I totally remember the horse he is talking about. I think he MIGHT have been sort-of brownish in color. He also had 4 legs. I think.
I can't remember the name of the jock.......but he wasn't a very big guy I can tell you that.
Know who he means now?

Oh yeah! And he had a tiny little saddle and one of those leather-thingies on his head...it's as clear as can be now!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I didn't see the sale video actually, but on the track he was great! He went in the right direction and made all the correct turns. Got him on my watchlist.

If you didn't see the sale video to compare him to his movement a year later, you really have NO clue what you are talking about.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

If you didn't see the sale video to compare him to his movement a year later, you really have NO clue what you are talking about.

None.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

If you didn't see the sale video to compare him to his movement a year later, you really have NO clue what you are talking about.

I seldom do.

[King Glorious]

I guess it's all irrelevant now.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I guess it's all irrelevant now.

We can try and guess how many more career starts he has. I'll go with 2.

[Cajungator26]

But guys...

He really has done enough.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

But guys...

He really has done enough.

If he wasn't Coolmore I'm sure Stonewall would stand him. I'd think Coolmore will bring him back to at least get a G2 on the resume before they tell us he's done enough.

[King Glorious]

The funny thing is that while I know people are being sarcastic when they say that a horse has done enough, I really feel like it's a true statement. I think u want to see that a horse has speed to win races, can develop fast enough to win early, and can win in graded company. Ravel has done all three. I don't think he's as good as some others but with his pedigree and what he's already done, what more is there really to prove?

[King Glorious]

I do like racing. I don't think this stuff is good for racing. Never said that. Just said that from the perspective of the breeders, I can understand.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The funny thing is that while I know people are being sarcastic when they say that a horse has done enough, I really feel like it's a true statement. I think u want to see that a horse has speed to win races, can develop fast enough to win early, and can win in graded company. Ravel has done all three. I don't think he's as good as some others but with his pedigree and what he's already done, what more is there really to prove?

How about the ability to run 4 races without having your legs break? Might that be an important trait to pass on to his progeny?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by miraja2

How about the ability to run 4 races without having your legs break? Might that be an important trait to pass on to his progeny?

It doesn't seem like these kinds of things matter anymore. Look at what they got for Smarty Jones after a nine race career that ended with injury. Afleet Alex' career ended with injury. People don't care anymore. They aren't looking to get a horse that will be able to withstand a 30+ race career anymore. Those are things of the past. If u can get a horse that can withstand an 8-10 race career, u've got something nowdays so soundness isn't really that important anymore. How else can u explain why anyone would breed to Unbridled's Song?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The funny thing is that while I know people are being sarcastic when they say that a horse has done enough, I really feel like it's a true statement. I think u want to see that a horse has speed to win races, can develop fast enough to win early, and can win in graded company. Ravel has done all three. I don't think he's as good as some others but with his pedigree and what he's already done, what more is there really to prove?

Sadly that is what a great number of people believe today. The fact that the horse has accomplished almost nothing except win a couple of weak stakes and break down is almost not even a factor. That he MAY have been a really good horse is good enough. The lightly raced horse at stud used to be the exception. Now it is the almost the rule.

The biggest problem with this type of thinking is really not the fact that talented horses are not having long careers. It is that a lot of mediocre horses who fill the day to day cards have enough soundness issues to keep them from racing on a regular basis. When the backbone horses who need to run alot in order to fill the daily races and pay their owners bills can't do it then where do you turn? When you keep breeding flash in the pan stallions to 150 mares, then run a good % of them through 2 yo in training sales, what will be left?

Originally Posted by merasmag

buh-bye...wish him well...how do u "start" to get a fracture???

I think it may be something like a stress fracture. But Im not a doctor..