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#82
05-10-2007, 08:04 PM
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Jersey Girl was the first big Pletcher horse I remember....though, she wasn't as good as her record suggested.
I looked it up....Gomez was 22-for-43 at Sunland Park before his riding career was haulted for prison life. 
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#83
05-10-2007, 08:10 PM
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Yeh, looking at Pletchers stakes wins below, I'd rather be John Sheriff's too!!!!!!!
Horse Stake Grade Year Photo A.P. Arrow Skip Away H. III 2007 Adieu Frizette S. I 2005 Adieu Delaware Oaks II 2006 Adieu Spinaway S. II 2005 Adieu Astoria S. 2005 Airy Hill Storm Cat S. 2000 Alke Deputy Minister H. III 2004 American Century Bahamas S. L 2001 Any Given Saturday Sam F. Davis 2007 Appleby Gardens Shady Well S. 2002 Archers Bay Prince of Wales S. Can-I 1998 Archers Bay Queen's Plate S. Can-I 1998 Ashado Beldame S. I 2005 Ashado Breeders' Cup Distaff I 2004 Ashado Coaching Club American Oaks I 2004 Ashado Go For Wand H. I 2005 Ashado Kentucky Oaks I 2004 Ashado Ogden Phipps H. I 2005 Ashado Spinaway S. I 2003 Ashado Cotillion H. II 2004 Ashado Demoiselle S. II 2003 Ashado Fair Grounds Oaks II 2004 Ashado Schuylerville S. II 2003 Audacious Chloe Appalachian S. 2007 Audacious Chloe Gaily Gaily S. 2007 Audacious Chloe Junior Champion S. 2006 Balto Star United Nations H. I 2003 Balto Star Arkansas Derby II 2001 Balto Star Meadowlands BC S. II 2004 Balto Star Spiral S. II 2001 Balto Star W.L. McKnight H. II 2003 Balto Star Red Smith H. III 2003 Balto Star Whirlaway H. III 2003 Bandini Blue Grass S. I 2005 Bandini Skip Away H. III 2006 Beebe Lake Soft Parade S. 2004 Bella Shambrock Prairie Gold Juvenile S. 2006 Bella Shambrock Tyro S. 2006 Bensonhurst Bull Comet S. 1998 Bishop Court Hill Carter H. I 2006 Bishop Court Hill Gravesend H. III 2006 Bishop Court Hill Paumonok H. 2006 Bluegrass Cat Haskell Invitational I 2006 Bluegrass Cat Remsen S. II 2005 Bluegrass Cat Nashua S. III 2005 Bluegrass Cat Sam F. Davis S. 2006 Bohemian Lady Cicada S. III 2004 Bohemian Lady Affectionately H. 2006 Bohemian Lady Rare Treat H. 2006 Boston Bull Cowdin S. III 2002 Bovell Road Colleen S. 2006 Bronze Autumn OBS Champion S. (Fillies) 2002 Buzz Song Blue Hen S. 2004 Capeside Lady Molly Pitcher BC H. II 2005 Capeside Lady Monmouth BC Oaks II 2004 Capeside Lady Joseph A. Gimma (NYB) 2003 Capeside Lady Little Silver S. 2004 Capeside Lady Maid of the Mist S. (NYB) 2003 Capeside Lady Monmouth Beach S. 2005 Capozzene Junior Champion S. 2005 Carib Lady (Ire) Gallorette H. III 2003 Carminooch Gander S. (NYB) 2005 Carminooch Ave's Flag S. (NYB) R 2006 Cassydora (GB) Hillsborough S. III 2007 Cassydora (GB) Endeavour BC S. 2007 Chapel Royal Sanford S. II 2003 Chapel Royal Flash S. III 2003 Chimichurri Tempted S. III 2002 Chimichurri Jersey Jumper S. 2002 Cinderella's Dream Maid of the Mist S. (NYB) 2005 Circle of Life Spinaway S. I 1999 Circular Quay Hopeful S. I 2006 Circular Quay Louisiana Derby II 2007 Circular Quay Bashford Manor S. III 2006 Coast Line John B. Campbell H. 2005 Coin Silver Lexington S. II 2005 Collymore Hall NATC Sorority S. 2002 Colony Band Doubledogdare S. 2005 Cotton Blossom Schuylerville S. III 2006 Cotton Blossom Florida Oaks 2007 Cotton House Bay Valley Stream S. L 1997 Cowgirls Dont Cry Anna M. Fischer Debutante S. 2006 Cowtown Cat Illinois Derby II 2007 Cowtown Cat Gotham S. III 2007 Dancal Violet H. III 2003 Deeliteful Irving Pan American H. II 2002 Deeliteful Irving Franklin S. 2001 Deputy Storm Tyro S. 2003 Distilled Illinois Derby II 2001 Dubleo Generous S. III 2004 Dubleo Summer S. Can-II 2004 Dubleo Chenery S. 2004 Dubleo Continental Mile S. 2004 Dubleo Dave Feldman S. 2005 Dustin's Dream Carver Ranches H. 1997 Dyna's Destiny Bedanken S. 2006 Dyna's Destiny Gaily Gaily S. 2006 Early Warning Discovery H. III 1998 Early Warning Gallant Fox H. III 1999 Early Warning Queens County H. III 1999 East of Easy Mecke S. L 1997 Ebony Rose Hilltop BC S. 2006 Electric Shock Maid of the Mist S. (NYB) 1998 English Channel Turf Classic Invitational I 2006 English Channel United Nations S. I 2006 English Channel Woodford Reserve Turf Classic S. I 2006 English Channel Virginia Derby III 2005 English Channel Canadian Turf H. 2006 English Channel Colonial Turf Cup S. 2005 English Channel Woodlawn S. 2005 Essence Anne Arundel S. III 2004 Ever Elusive Winning Colors S. 2006 Exclusive Quality Spectacular Bid S. 2006 Fairbanks Tokyo City H. III 2007 Finality Jamaica H. II 2002 Finality West Point H. (NYB) 2003 First Spear Budweiser Challenge S. L 2001 First Spear Lamplighter H. 2001 Fisher Pond Lawrence Realization H. 2002 Flamenco Cowdin S. 2004 Flamenco Victoria S. 2004 Flamenco Jack Price Juvenile S. R 2004 Fleet Indian Beldame S. I 2006 Fleet Indian Personal Ensign H. I 2006 Fleet Indian Delaware H. II 2006 Fleet Indian Next Move H. III 2006 Fleet Indian Sixty Sails H. III 2006 Fleet Indian Obeah H. 2006 Flower Alley Travers S. I 2005 Flower Alley Jim Dandy S. II 2005 Flower Alley Lane's End S. II 2005 Flower Alley Salvatore Mile H. III 2006 Forest Code Giant's Causeway S. 2007 Forest Danger Carter H. I 2005 Forest Danger Bay Shore S. III 2004 Forest Grove Ocean Place Resort S. 2004 Forest Grove Paterson S. 2004 Forestier Classy Mirage S. 2005 Freedom's Daughter Schuylerville S. II 2002 Frenchglen Jersey Girl S. R 2004 Friendly Island Maryland BC Sprint H. III 2006 Friendly Island Hudson H. (NYB) 2005 Friendly Island Hudson H. (NYB) 2004 Gadir Comet S. L 1999 Glacken's Mark Irish Sonnet S. 2006 Glacken's Mark White Clay Creek S. 2006 Go Deputy Sword Dancer Invitational I 2006 Go Deputy Bowling Green H. II 2006 Gone Fishin Jaipur H. III 2002 Graeme Hall Arkansas Derby II 2000 Graeme Hall Jim Dandy S. II 2000 Graeme Hall Stuyvesant H. III 2001 Graeme Hall Eclipse H. Can-II 2001 Half Ours Richter Scale BC Sprint Championship H. II 2007 Half Ours Three Chimneys Juvenile S. 2005 Harlan's Holiday Donn H. I 2003 Harlan's Holiday Pennsylvania Derby III 2002 Harmony Lodge Ballerina H. I 2003 Harmony Lodge Gallant Bloom H. II 2003 Harmony Lodge First Lady H. III 2003 Harmony Lodge First Lady H. III 2004 Harmony Lodge Shirley Jones H. III 2003 Harmony Lodge Little Silver S. 2001 Harmony Lodge Sweet Briar Too S. 2003 Heckle Tremont S. III 2003 High Cotton Rushaway S. 2006 High Cotton Sir Barton S. 2006 Honey Ryder Flower Bowl Invitational I 2006 Honey Ryder Orchid H. II 2005 Honey Ryder Sheepshead Bay H. II 2006 Honey Ryder Glens Falls H. III 2005 Honey Ryder Orchid H. III 2006 Honey Ryder Very One H. III 2005 Honey Ryder E.P. Taylor S. Can-I 2005 Honey Ryder Dick Memorial BC H. 2005 Honey Ryder Dick Memorial BC H. 2006 Honey Ryder Princess Mora S. 2004 Host (Chi) Shadwell Turf Mile S. I 2005 Host (Chi) Knickerbocker H. II 2004 Host (Chi) Tropical Turf H. III 2004 Hunter Cruise Continental Mile S. 2001 Icy Atlantic Arcadia H. II 2007 Icy Atlantic Jersey Derby III 2004 Icy Atlantic Battle Field S. 2006 I'm All Yours Ashley T. Cole H. (NYB) 2002 I'm All Yours Mohawk H. (NYB) 2001 I'm All Yours West Point H. (NYB) 2001 India Cotillion BC H. II 2006 India Azeri BC S. III 2007 India Without Feathers S. 2006 Indian Vale Falls City H. II 2005 Indian Vale Next Move H. III 2007 Indian Vale Turnback the Alarm H. III 2005 Irving's Baby Delaware H. III 2001 Irving's Baby MD Racing Media H. L 2002 Irving's Baby MD Racing Media H. L 2001 Isola Piu Bella (Chi) Sabin H. III 2005 Isola Piu Bella (Chi) Sixty Sails H. III 2005 Isola Piu Bella (Chi) Obeah H. 2005 Primary Photography: Barbara D. Livingston
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05-10-2007, 08:11 PM
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Sorry, I needed 2 posts to fit them all.
Jersey Girl Acorn S. I 1998 Jersey Girl Mother Goose S. I 1998 Jersey Girl Test S. I 1998 Jersey Girl Cicada S. III 1998 Jersey Girl Nassau County S. III 1998 Jersey Girl Astoria S. L 1997 Jersey Girl NY Stallion Stakes (Fillies) 1998 J'Ray Bayou BC H. III 2007 J'Ray Jessamine S. 2005 J'Ray Maria Krantz Memorial H. 2007 J'Ray Selima S. 2005 J'Ray Tropical Park Oaks 2006 Keyed Entry Hutcheson S. II 2006 Killenaule Dover S. 2004 Killenaule Storm Cat S. 2004 King of the Roxy Futurity S. II 2006 King of the Roxy Hutcheson S. II 2007 Krasnaya Omnibus S. 2005 Lawyer Ron Oaklawn H. II 2007 Left Bank Cigar Mile H. I 2001 Left Bank Vosburgh S. I 2000 Left Bank Whitney H. I 2002 Left Bank Tom Fool H. II 2002 Left Bank Bold Ruler H. III 2002 Left Bank Discovery H. III 2000 Limehouse Brooklyn H. II 2005 Limehouse Hutcheson S. II 2004 Limehouse Bashford Manor S. III 2003 Limehouse Tampa Bay Derby III 2004 Limehouse Alysheba S. 2005 Limehouse Three Chimneys Juvenile S. 2003 Lion Tamer Cigar Mile H. I 2004 Lion Tamer Hutcheson S. II 2003 Lion Tamer Richter Scale BC H. II 2004 Lion Tamer Commonwealth BC S. III 2004 Lion Tamer Formal Gold S. 2004 Lismore Knight Arlington Classic II 2003 Lismore Knight Summer S. Can-II 2002 Lodge Hill Breeders S. Can-I 2000 Love Locket Blue Hen S. 2005 Love Locket Irish Sonnet S. 2005 Love Locket Serena's Song S. 2006 Maddalena Old Hat S. III 2005 Maddalena Legal Light S. 2005 Magna Graduate Clark H. II 2005 Magna Graduate Discovery H. III 2005 Magna Graduate Excelsior BC H. III 2007 Magna Graduate Pegasus H. III 2005 Magna Graduate Queens County H. III 2006 Magnificent Song Garden City BC S. I 2006 Magnificent Song Lake George S. III 2006 Magnificent Song Edgewood S. 2006 Maizelle Chieftain's Command R 2007 Mama Nadine Little Silver S. 2006 Manchurian Stymie H. 2006 Marley Vale Test S. I 1999 Marylebone Matron S. I 2003 Master Command New Orleans H. II 2007 Master Command Mineshaft H. III 2007 Master Command National Jockey Club H. III 2007 Master Command William D. Schaefer H. III 2006 Mo Cuishle Monmouth BC Oaks III 2006 More for Me St. Georges S. 2005 More Than Ready King's Bishop S. I 2000 More Than Ready Hutcheson S. II 2000 More Than Ready Sanford S. II 1999 More Than Ready Tremont S. III 1999 More Than Ready Flash S. L 1999 More Than Ready WHAS-11 S. L 1999 Navesink River Pan American H. II 2005 Navesink River Gallant Fox H. III 2005 Navesink River Coyote Lakes S. 2005 Newfoundland Canadian Turf H. III 2004 Newfoundland Skip Away H. III 2004 Newfoundland Coronado's Quest S. R 2003 Ocean Drive Ballston Spa BC H. III 2004 Ocean Drive Eatontown H. III 2004 Ocean Drive Gallorette H. III 2004 Ocean Drive Noble Damsel H. III 2004 Ocean Drive Appalachian S. L 2003 Ocean Drive Salem County S. 2002 Ocean Drive Gaviola S. R 2003 Octave Adirondack S. II 2006 Oonagh MacCool (Ire) Louisville BC H. II 2006 Oonagh MacCool (Ire) Rampart H. II 2006 Out of Gwedda Tremont S. 2006 Paddy's Daisy Miesque S. III 2004 Paddy's Daisy Jessamine County S. 2004 Paddy's Daisy Salem County S. 2004 Path of Thunder Golden Pond S. 2004 Path of Thunder De La Rose S. R 2005 Paula's Girl Valley Stream S. L 1998 Pete's Sake Plate Trial S. 2000 Pollard's Vision Illinois Derby II 2004 Pollard's Vision Leonard Richards S. III 2004 Pollard's Vision Lone Star Derby III 2004 Pollard's Vision National Jockey Club H. III 2005 Pool Land Ruffian H. I 2006 Pool Land duPont BC Distaff S. III 2006 Pool Land Doubledogdare S. 2006 Pool Land Summer Colony S. R 2006 Portsea Just Smashing S. 2005 Portsea Meafara BC S. 2005 Portsea Sandpiper S. 2005 Proud Accolade Champagne S. I 2004 Proud Accolade Hutcheson S. II 2005 Proud Beauty (Ire) Trampoli S. R 2003 Purge Cigar Mile H. I 2005 Purge Jim Dandy S. II 2004 Purge Peter Pan S. II 2004 Rags to Riches Las Virgenes S. I 2007 Rags to Riches Santa Anita Oaks I 2007 Ready to Please Fantasy S. II 2006 Ready's Gal Hillsborough S. III 2006 Ready's Gal Lake George S. III 2005 Ready's Gal Vinery Matchmaker S. III 2006 Ready's Gal Canadian S. Can-II 2006 Ready's Gal Little Silver S. 2005 River Belle (GB) Mrs. Revere S. II 2004 Roman Dynasty Discovery H. III 2006 Roman Dynasty Match the Hatch S. 2006 Safari Queen (Arg) La Prevoyante H. II 2006 Safari Queen (Arg) Long Island H. II 2006 Safari Queen (Arg) Bewitch S. III 2007 Safari Queen (Arg) Orchid H. III 2007 Safari Queen (Arg) Rumpipumpy S. R 2006 Saint Augustus What a Pleasure S. 2005 Scat Dadd Florida Derby I 2007 Scat Daddy Champagne S. I 2006 Scat Daddy Fountain of Youth S. II 2007 Scat Daddy Sanford S. II 2006 Shaniko KY Cup Classic S. II 2005 Smokin Forest Tyson Gilpin S. R 2004 Smok'n Frolic Cotillion H. II 2002 Smok'n Frolic Demoiselle S. II 2001 Smok'n Frolic Next Move H. III 2003 Smok'n Frolic Next Move H. III 2004 Smok'n Frolic Tempted S. III 2001 Smok'n Frolic Turfway BC S. III 2003 Smok'n Frolic Fashion S. 2001 Smok'n Frolic Sunshine Millions Distaff 2003 Smooth Jazz Commonwealth BC S. II 2003 Somethinaboutbetty Country Life Farm S. (MD) 2006 Somethinaboutbetty Maryland Juvenile Fillies Championship R 2005 Somethinaboutbetty Rokeby Rose S. R 2006 Something Ventured My Charmer H. III 2004 Something Ventured Auntie Mame S. R 2003 Speightstown Breeders' Cup Sprint S. I 2004 Speightstown A.G. Vanderbilt H. II 2004 Speightstown Churchill Downs H. II 2004 Speightstown True North BC H. II 2004 Speightstown Artax H. 2004 Spun Sugar Apple Blossom H. I 2006 Spun Sugar Go For Wand H. I 2006 Spun Sugar Black-Eyed Susan S. II 2005 Stormina Firecracker S. 2006 Stormina Indian Maid BC H. 2006 Stormina Summer Finale S. 2006 Strong Hope Dwyer S. II 2003 Strong Hope Jim Dandy S. II 2003 Summer Raven Tempted S. III 2004 Sunriver Peter Pan S. II 2006 Talented Twist Afleet S. R 2005 Texas Glitter Laurel Dash S. III 2000 Texas Glitter Spectacular Bid S. III 1999 Texas Glitter Huntington S. L 1998 Texas Glitter Calder Turf Sprint H. 2002 Texas Glitter Calder Turf Sprint H. 2001 Texas Glitter Dayjur H. 2000 Texas Glitter Hollywood Turf Express H. 2002 Texas Glitter Livingston S. 2000 Texas Glitter Yankee Affair S. 2002 Tompest Chenery S. 2005 Trippi Vosburgh S. I 2000 Trippi Riva Ridge S. II 2000 Trippi Tom Fool H. II 2000 Trippi Flamingo S. III 2000 Trippi Swale S. III 2000 Tweedside Coaching Club American Oaks I 2001 Tweedside Orchid H. II 2003 Tweedside Sheepshead Bay H. II 2002 Tweedside Sands Point H. 2001 Twilight Meteor Hallandale Beach S. 2007 Twilight Meteor Woodford Reserve S. 2006 Unbridled Belle Go For Wand S. 2006 Up An Octave Forerunner S. 2006 Up An Octave Kris S. S. 2005 Value Plus Artax H. 2005 Vicarage Perryville S. III 2005 Vicarage Smoke Glacken S. R 2005 Wait a While American Oaks Invitational I 2006 Wait a While Yellow Ribbon S. I 2006 Wait a While Davona Dale S. II 2006 Wait a While Lake Placid S. II 2006 Wait a While Honey Fox H. III 2007 Wait a While Sands Point S. III 2006 Wait a While Miss Grillo S. 2005 Warning Zone (SAf) Krantz Memorial H. 2005 West Virginia Excelsior BC H. III 2006 West Virginia Iselin BC H. III 2005 West Virginia Albany S. (NYB) 2004 West Virginia Damon Runyon S. (NYB) 2003 West Virginia NY Stallion Stakes (Colt Division) 2004 West Virginia NYSS-Great White Way R 2003 Willard Straight Troy S. 2004 Willard Straight King Cugat S. R 2003 Zawzooth My Juliet S. R 2003 Copyright © 2005 Todd A. Pletcher Racing Stables. All rights reserved. Site Design by Hammond Equine. Primary
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05-10-2007, 08:16 PM
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Is that spamming really necessary? Jesus Christ.
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05-10-2007, 09:36 PM
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05-10-2007, 10:03 PM
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personally, i think he will win the race eventually. he's come close a couple times, no doubt he'll figure it out.
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05-10-2007, 10:06 PM
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05-10-2007, 10:18 PM
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interesting tho that nafzger has had less lifetime starts in the derby than pletcher had this year alone, yet won it twice.
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05-10-2007, 10:19 PM
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05-10-2007, 10:23 PM
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05-10-2007, 10:43 PM
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Comparing Todd Pletcher to Tiger Woods or Arod is a bad analogy because those guys are singular athletes whose performances are mostly due to physical superiority. Pletcher is more of a general manager type. I would make the comparison to John Schuerholz, GM of the Atlanta Braves. Both Pletcher and Schuerholz are extremely successful and respected in their fields. Both have tremendous accomplishments, Pletchers money records, Saratoga titles, etc and Schuerholzs' Atlanta Braves winning 14 straight division title and several NL pennants. However the one thing that they also have in common is their horses/teams seemingly inability to win the BIG one. If you count TP's 2 breeders cup wins and the Braves 1 World Series titles as equivilents, the similarities are there.
I think Ruperts point, that Pletcher wins so much other than the TC races that it is not a problem is wrong. When you win so much on 361 days of the year but no so much on the 4 biggest days, questions will be and should be raised. Of course he is held to a higher standard. That in of itself is a sign of respect. To say that we should ignore his dismal record because he has not had the right horses is silly. No one in the history of horseracing has a better group of horses of which to choose from than TP. His stable is historically strong except for the days when the spotlight shines brightly. I'm sure he will win classic races, with the strength of his horses it will be almost impossible not to. My problem was that he seems to be sending his horses in without proper preperation for the DERBY. What works for other races does not work for this race because it is so much different and harder than what these horses have ever faced before. He is training his Derby horses the same as if they were going into the Dwyer or Jim Dandy. The guy is obviously a very good trainer. He is a great manager of people. He has put together a great program and it works for most of the year. But as long as the Derby eludes him the questions will linger. And they should.
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05-10-2007, 10:47 PM
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pletcher agreed that he had to win the big one, on the walk over before the derby. he knows it! no one is holding him to a higher standard than what he's holding himself to.
i guess everyone has the feeling he's been around a lot longer than he has, he's taken off so quickly, and has accomplished quite a lot. then you sit back and see that it's really only been a brief amount of time--you forget that he's still relatively young! he'll win it, i have no doubt about that.
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05-10-2007, 10:59 PM
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05-10-2007, 11:06 PM
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He is a young man.
He will win a Derby. He will win another Derby. All this will go away.
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05-10-2007, 11:10 PM
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05-10-2007, 11:10 PM
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05-10-2007, 11:14 PM
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Besides Circular Quay, I felt his other four runners had all the proper preparation for the race. There are some highly respected handicappers, who have a choice of the entire field, and fail to come up with the winner year-after-year in this race. I don't believe a single post time favorite won this race in the entire decade of the 80's and 90's...zero-for-twenty. I don't believe Pletcher has ever had the favorite or second favorite in this race. If he can get moderate horses like Bluegrass Cat, Invisible Ink, and Impeachment to run in the top three---with the massive stable of top prospects he gets every year...it's only a matter of time.
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