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[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

ror!!


But I found it HIGHLY AMUSING!






Don't tell me YOU'RE a spitter!?

Oh geesh. Let me just say:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."

[Mortimer]

Gosh you're GOOD!!!



















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[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Canada's health care system isn't that great. You here about it all of the time.

Universal health care=socialism/communism

And this conversation just made me realize that I can't possibly vote for the Dems. It would hurt my family to do so. I have to stick to my party. I'll vote for the crazy war-hungry idiot.

Canada's system may not be that great,but if ya baby has a long term problem ,then you don't lose your house.You don't care about people losing their homes,and going into bankruptcy,because your the doctor's daughter.Doctor's here don't give a **** about long-term illnesses that bankrupt people. They just care about their checks,and their own families.They don't care if a long-term illness destroys families financially.Nobody in these European countries lose their life savings to a medical condition.Americans do.So,you can call it what you want,but people in Europe have the same(or better care) without fear of losing their house.People can just go on thinking their insurance company has their back.They don't....You got a baby girl who is ill for a year? You are probably gunna be financially fkd.Bitch,what about these hillbillies in trailers that got run over by this twister.Isn't that socialism(to help them.)Why is it o.k. to help them,and not help people with long-term health problems.Neither were the fault of anybody.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

You damn sure better vote for McCain....God forbide daddy gotta get paid what doctors do in France,Germany ,Switzerland,or Sweden.....Might have to give up one vacation/year,or 1 pet car.

[Danzig]

i think a big part of the health problem would be lawyers, and the litigious society in which we live. it's ridiculous what malpractice insurance costs--and there are too many people who treat an accident as a way to win the lottery. sue sue sue. and then who pays?

i think the biggest problem medical insurance-wise, is that so many choose not to buy coverage. people choose not to afford it, or sign up for their companies benefits--i can't tell you how many times i've gone to new hirees, given them their health insurance packet (which gets cheaper per employee when more employees sign up) and been told 'i don't need it, we never get sick'.

who never gets sick?

then they do get sick, off to the e.r. spend more on one er visit then they would have spent on premiums for a year.
there has to be a better system then what we have, but i don't think that govt run health coverage is the answer.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think a big part of the health problem would be lawyers, and the litigious society in which we live. it's ridiculous what malpractice insurance costs--and there are too many people who treat an accident as a way to win the lottery. sue sue sue. and then who pays?

i think the biggest problem medical insurance-wise, is that so many choose not to buy coverage. people choose not to afford it, or sign up for their companies benefits--i can't tell you how many times i've gone to new hirees, given them their health insurance packet (which gets cheaper per employee when more employees sign up) and been told 'i don't need it, we never get sick'.

who never gets sick?

then they do get sick, off to the e.r. spend more on one er visit then they would have spent on premiums for a year.
there has to be a better system then what we have, but i don't think that govt run health coverage is the answer.

I agree. I think that our system could definitely be improved upon, but I don't think Hillary's idea is the way to go either.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I completely agree. As I said before, I am a big Obama supporter so perhaps I am not completely impartial, but I get so tired of hearing her talk about all of her experience. Counting Obama's time as a state legislator, he actually has more legislative experience than she does! I don't think being first lady of Arkansas and the United States counts for very much. My wife is a microbiologist. Does that mean that I am somehow qualified to be a microbiologist? I assure you it does not. I will be sorely dissapointed if we end up with her as our nominee, although I will still probably vote for her...unless I defect to the Green Party.

it's funny you said that, i made the same analogy at work this morning--i'm married to an industrial electrician, but no one sees me at the mill trying to change out a motor on a winder!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think a big part of the health problem would be lawyers, and the litigious society in which we live. it's ridiculous what malpractice insurance costs--and there are too many people who treat an accident as a way to win the lottery. sue sue sue. and then who pays?

i think the biggest problem medical insurance-wise, is that so many choose not to buy coverage. people choose not to afford it, or sign up for their companies benefits--i can't tell you how many times i've gone to new hirees, given them their health insurance packet (which gets cheaper per employee when more employees sign up) and been told 'i don't need it, we never get sick'.

who never gets sick?

then they do get sick, off to the e.r. spend more on one er visit then they would have spent on premiums for a year.
there has to be a better system then what we have, but i don't think that govt run health coverage is the answer.

Why isn't it? Do you think people in Japan,France,Germany,Sweden,Switzerland,Australia have bad healthcare? I don't .We are brainwashed to think they do.Again,Danzig,I highly doubt this insurance plan will cover something like a years stay in the hospital,and some people have kids that are that sick.It doesn't always happen to other people.Americans have this disease of "it will not happen to me" That is why people lose everything right now.They didn't think they were gunna have a kid who would spend a year and a half in the hospital(and die anyways.)They didn't think that their insurance would stop paying.They didn't want national healthcare, either.Now they are fkd,too.So be it(I guess.)We are just too stupid to do what other industrialized countries have done.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think a big part of the health problem would be lawyers, and the litigious society in which we live. it's ridiculous what malpractice insurance costs--and there are too many people who treat an accident as a way to win the lottery. sue sue sue. and then who pays?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0712140821.htm

“It is commonly believed that waiting lists in other countries and malpractice litigation in the United States are major reasons why the United States spends so much more on health care than other countries. We found that they only explain a small part of the difference,” said Gerard Anderson, PhD, lead author of the study and a professor in the Bloomberg School of Public Health’s Department of Health Policy and Management.

The study authors reviewed health care spending data on 30 countries from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) for the year 2003. U.S. citizens spent $5,267 per capita on health care. The country with the next highest per capita expenditure, Switzerland, spent $3,446 per capita. The median OECD country spent $2,193 per capita."

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Americans spend more on health care because of degenerative diseases such as heart disease and cancer. A large part of this is due to the increasing obesity rates of Americans. Rich Americans also love plastic surgery.

Infant mortality was not as high as it is now under this same health care system 20 years ago. In fact, America had the lowest infant mortality rate of all the developed countries 20 years ago.

And I agree that Americans have this "it won't happen to me" outlook on life, but that is no one's fault but their own.

1) The government should not pay for universal health care.

2) When an individual has a child, that individual should be responsible enough to take care of that child under ALL circumstances.

3) It should not be America's duty to make up for poor decisions made by individuals.

4) Do away with welfare. It makes Americans more lazy. Socialism makes Americans more lazy (i.e. welfare).

5) Doctors earn the right to make what they make by not having as long of a life expectancy as they would if they weren't a doctor. They earn the right by trading their lives through their dedication and pledge of serving others.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's weird. On one hand I really want to put you on ignore, because hearing about your every thought and take on the world is making me ill. But I find myself curious as to what you might say next. It's like when you drive by a car accident and know you should look away but your curiosity get's the best of you.

What don't you agree with?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

^ Won't answer because requires too much thought...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Americans spend more on health care because of degenerative diseases such as heart disease and cancer. A large part of this is due to the increasing obesity rates of Americans. Rich Americans also love plastic surgery.

Infant mortality was not as high as it is now under this same health care system 20 years ago. In fact, America had the lowest infant mortality rate of all the developed countries 20 years ago.

And I agree that Americans have this "it won't happen to me" outlook on life, but that is no one's fault but their own.

1) The government should not pay for universal health care.

2) When an individual has a child, that individual should be responsible enough to take care of that child under ALL circumstances.

3) It should not be America's duty to make up for poor decisions made by individuals.

4) Do away with welfare. It makes Americans more lazy. Socialism makes Americans more lazy (i.e. welfare).

5) Doctors earn the right to make what they make by not having as long of a life expectancy as they would if they weren't a doctor. They earn the right by trading their lives through their dedication and pledge of serving others.

I just told you there are insured couples that have babies,and lose everything because the baby is sick for a year.That's the fkd up situation you are backing.These are supposed to be insured people.See, your way doesn't work,and if it did then nobody would be trying to fix it.I'm not surprised that a doctor's daughter could care less if people lose everything.You pretty much want every male in America to give up a testicle because somebody has doctor in front of their name.Doctors in the U.S, are parasites ready to make a buck off somebody who is sick. They don't want to touch somebody without a check,and they don't want to allow anybody to do it for a reasonable price.So,we pay twice as much for each citizen's care,and still some people lose everything due to a kid's illness.

[Late Fires]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's weird. On one hand I really want to put you on ignore, because hearing about your every thought and take on the world is making me ill. But I find myself curious as to what you might say next. It's like when you drive by a car accident and know you should look away but your curiosity get's the best of you.

^^^Did not score 1390 on SAT

[Late Fires]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
What volunteer work have you done for hospitals or in the medical profession?

Where in the world did this come from?

You must have done alot for you to be talking down to me about it.

Just keep assuming the position,baby.

Also, why don't you go become a doctor?

You have given plenty of reasons not to.

We'll see if you still feel the same way after you become one.

How would you know ...unleess,of course, you were one and were reincarnated ....only to become one all over again.

Also, your statistics are off for those other countries.

Eauxh? You know this for a fact? Don't use the "demographics" loophole here.



The demographics are different for the USA, so you have to take that doctor/patient ratio with a grain of salt.

DOUGH!!! SHE DID!!


The USA has more degenerative disease cases than any of the other countries that you mentioned.

I believe KRIM is the most common one.

Canada's health care system isn't that great.

Neither are their spaceships.


You here about it all of the time.

Oh? When did they go to the moon?

Universal health care=socialism/communism

Does fed. and state unemployment plug in there as well? Social security? What about welfare and EEO?

It ain't all that simple...is it?

And this conversation just made me realize that I can't possibly vote for the Dems. It would hurt my family to do so. I have to stick to my party. I'll vote for the crazy war-hungry idiot.

Fine, fine work.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I just told you there are insured couples that have babies,and lose everything because the baby is sick for a year.That's the fkd up situation you are backing.These are supposed to be insured people.See, your way doesn't work,and if it did then nobody would be trying to fix it.I'm not surprised that a doctor's daughter could care less if people lose everything.You pretty much want every male in America to give up a testicle because somebody has doctor in front of their name.

No, it shouldn't be we the people's job to pay more taxes for those individuals that made poor decisions or are lazy. I shouldn't be punished for that because that is exactly what universal health care would be for me and many other Americans. And it's not doctors' faults. It is the big corporations, big pharma, and the insurance companies in general. That part of the system is what needs to be changed. Go after them. Not the American people and the doctors. Universal health care=taxes raised for everyone. The doctors only try to do their jobs.

So, I told you how much my dad and boyfriend work. How much are they supposed to work to see everyone in a timely fashion with universal health care? THERE AREN'T ENOUGH HOURS IN A DAY OR ENOUGH DOCTORS TO GO AROUND!!!

I do care. I care a lot. So much that I just donated some money that I don't have to feed starving people around the country. It was my choice. But, it shouldn't be everyone else's responsibility to make up for others who are not responsible. They shouldn't be made to do it. The American people should be able to choose what charity work that they want to do. I shouldn't have to be made to pay for some lazy, irresponsible *******'s health coverage or some rapist's health coverage.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Americans spend more on health care because of degenerative diseases such as heart disease and cancer. A large part of this is due to the increasing obesity rates of Americans. Rich Americans also love plastic surgery.

Infant mortality was not as high as it is now under this same health care system 20 years ago. In fact, America had the lowest infant mortality rate of all the developed countries 20 years ago.

And I agree that Americans have this "it won't happen to me" outlook on life, but that is no one's fault but their own.

1) The government should not pay for universal health care.

2) When an individual has a child, that individual should be responsible enough to take care of that child under ALL circumstances.

3) It should not be America's duty to make up for poor decisions made by individuals.

4) Do away with welfare. It makes Americans more lazy. Socialism makes Americans more lazy (i.e. welfare).

5) Doctors earn the right to make what they make by not having as long of a life expectancy as they would if they weren't a doctor. They earn the right by trading their lives through their dedication and pledge of serving others.

Poor decisions? How about living in trailers in twister country? Huh? Why don't we just ignore their problems too? That's Socialism(helping them.)Geedubbya got real generous when he saw their torn up trailers.All the sudden he turned a part-time Socialist and said "The Government can help too." Capitalism would be to round them up,and tell them they are now fkd.Time to rake leafs for your rich doctor dad......Hurry up,two or three people on this block need leafs raked up.

Originally Posted by Late Fires

^^^Did not score 1390 on SAT

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

No, it shouldn't be we the people's job to pay more taxes for those individuals that made poor decisions or are lazy. I shouldn't be punished for that because that is exactly what universal health care would be for me and many other Americans. And it's not doctors' faults. It is the big corporations, big pharma, and the insurance companies in general. That part of the system is what needs to be changed. Go after them. Not the American people and the doctors. Universal health care=taxes raised for everyone. The doctors only try to do their jobs.

So, I told you how much my dad and boyfriend work. How much are they supposed to work to see everyone in a timely fashion with universal health care? THERE AREN'T ENOUGH HOURS IN A DAY OR ENOUGH DOCTORS TO GO AROUND!!!

I do care. I care a lot. So much that I just donated some money that I don't have to feed starving people around the country. It was my choice. But, it shouldn't be everyone else's responsibility to make up for others who are not responsible. They shouldn't be made to do it. The American people should be able to choose what charity work that they want to do. I shouldn't have to be made to pay for some lazy, irresponsible *******'s health coverage or some rapist's health coverage.

Pretty much the same(or more) # of doctors/1000 people in countries like Germany,France, Sweden,and Switzerland.I'll take a nurse with extra training over an ass-hole doctor any day.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING.If you have NATIONAL HEALTHCARE,you will very quickly get the border protected.Trust me,you will see quick action,then(and probably only then.)