Is Haskin joking?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Drug testing much tighter for the Derby so Mr. Pletcher will not likely be able to arrive on site with his bag of goodies. If unsure of this look at his Derby record. It's blantantly obvious. Year in and year out, the super trainers s*#t the bed in the Derby with can't miss runners. Hard to believe the Zito fiasco a few years ago.

Am I the only one who isn't buying this?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Am I the only one who isn't buying this?

Especially since he listed Mott "being due" as one of Court Vision's positives.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Am I the only one who isn't buying this?

Simply put, NO.

Only one trainer gets to win the big dance each year, it just so happens that he hasnt won it. Yet.

[hockey2315]

And he still wins plenty of big races- Breeders' Cups, etc... How would Assmussen or Dutrow ever win the races they do if it was tougher to drug up their horses on the big days? Either these guys use things that aren't being detected or their top stock just doesn't need the stuff. . .

[slotdirt]

Make no mistake though, Pletcher will win the Derby at some point in his career. I know, that's really going out on a limb...

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

And he still wins plenty of big races- Breeders' Cups, etc... How would Assmussen or Dutrow ever win the races they do if it was tougher to drug up their horses on the big days? Either these guys use things that aren't being detected or their top stock just doesn't need the stuff. . .

Agree. Not to mention that Pletcher won the Belmont with R2R just last year. Thats not a big day in racing where his 'bag of goodies' could be detected, is it????

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ranking him #1 when all the meaningful preps have been run basically says that and more.

he said he picked the horse early on, and is sticking with him now and gave his reasons which did not include value. Monba wouldn't be my pick on top, but I can envision why someone might want to back him.

Odd though that your knock on Haskin is based on value. Didn't you announce that you're going with Pyro? For me he is a low value play because you're going to get perhaps only single digit odds in the KD coming off of that horrible performance on a horse that to me its really not clear just how good he is even on his best day/surface. Before the BG I considered him in the group of more likely winners, but I'm not simply going to draw a line through that race as many are advocating. That assumes way too much imo.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Meet up for a beer in toga when I get there for the Travers... We got off on a bad foot here and I'd like to buy you a beer to sooth over any ill will.

Hey I hate your picks!!!.............what about a beer?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey I hate your picks!!!.............what about a beer?

didn't a wise man say beer was the cause of and solution to all of lifes problems?

oh wait, that was Homer Simpson.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

didn't a wise man say beer was the cause of and solution to all of lifes problems?

oh wait, that was Homer Simpson.

He is wiser than many

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

according to my top secret figs..lol drf z fortune will end up around 12th

[pb72vett]

Originally Posted by SteveHaskin

I forgot to add Z Fortune as a potential live longshot; just not sure about his pedigree, but his Arkansas Derby reminded me a lot of Grindstone's and Lil E. Tee's. All opinions can, and likely will, change dramatically after I see the horses train and in the flesh. That's where you find most of your Derby winners, not in the past performances.

Peter B.I LIKE what they see and feel there more on the inside then us most, others seem to think best is chalk toplay,20 horses very hard for chalk to take small prices on last year was avery good time this year much has changed ,just as the market, step in STEVE BYKE also is derby in hydif.tv?

What the hell u just say?

[hockey2315]

hahaha

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think this thread further supports the notion this crop is crazy, wide-open and hard to figure.

Z Fortune could be cycling towards a new top. If the Oaklawn figure is a bit high (there was a dicussion about this), then he realistically could be cycling back to a new top.

The problem with these horses is when a horse does put in an good effort, people act as if they are allergic to it, because we have seen so many average races in the big events all spring long.

I absolutely 100% agree with your 1st paragraph, last year we had the benefit of atleast seeing the major contenders run at CD in the BC juvie. Thus we got an idea how horses performed on the surface they were running on. With the advent of poly/cushion/synthetic tracks it just further muddles the derby selection process. If comparing preps was hard enough before.

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but anybody making a derby prediction this far out without seeing horses work at CD (this will be invaluable resource) is purely guessing if you ask me. If picking the derby winner was hard before, it is close to impossible now. But with workouts it might just give a glimmer of hope.

The horse or horses I decide on will be based on the reports I read from DRF, Bloodhorse..ect..staff, as unscientic as that may sound. I can't think of a better way to attack this derby. I don't trust one prep with the exception of the Arkansas Derby at this stage.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pb72vett

Peter B.I LIKE what they see and feel there more on the inside then us most, others seem to think best is chalk toplay,20 horses very hard for chalk to take small prices on last year was avery good time this year much has changed ,just as the market, step in STEVE BYKE also is derby in hydif.tv?

que?

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by pb72vett

Peter B.I LIKE what they see and feel there more on the inside then us most, others seem to think best is chalk toplay,20 horses very hard for chalk to take small prices on last year was avery good time this year much has changed ,just as the market, step in STEVE BYKE also is derby in hydif.tv?

I think I read it tree times trying to figure it out.. Talk about bad english.
Perhaps he's had one too many"nips" before typing that?

[herkhorse]

we need a special thread for drunk3n poosts

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey I hate your picks!!!.............what about a beer?

Beer.....!!!!!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is wiser than many