War Pass out with fracture

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

Freakishly fast is it's own problem unto itself. Slow horses are not as susceptible to injury.

Anybody here care to give Zito the credit he rightly deserves for x-raying something that many wouldn't?

And finding the problem before the horse blows the ankle apart on the track?

I'm wasn't pointing fingers at Zito, I'm not sure what a Trainer can do in these situations except run them once a year as Michael Dickinson does or not run them at all. That's not the answer we know... I did think it was interesting that is the 1st thing that popped into my head when I read War Pass was out due to injury. 3 horses with all simular profiles all have been sidelined coincidentally under Nick's care.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by miraja2

There are a few subjects that - for whatever reason - inspire incredibly heated debate here. Off the top of my head this list includes:

1) Lost in the Fog
2) Polytrack
3) Perfect Drift
4) Nick Zito
5) Bernardini

There are probably more that I am forgetting, but basically these subjects generate big arguments because there are certain individuals here that have very strong opinions either for or against these topics. Once they stake out their extreme positions, other people argue strenuously with them. In the case of Zito, it is basically just whodey taking every conceivable opportunity to take a shot at Zito. Add in the fact that Zito has some staunch supporters (and in some cases, friends) on this board, and you have yourself a recipe for acrimony.

Is that all... Not much left to talk about after that, guess I'll go to bed. Thanks for updating me though on these "taboo" subjects here. I wouldn't want to offend anyone. BTW Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? What's the point of coming here if certain subjects are off limits.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by CSC

Is that all... Not much left to talk about after that, guess I'll go to bed. Thanks for updating me though on these "taboo" subjects here. I wouldn't want to offend anyone. BTW Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? What's the point of coming here if certain subjects are off limits.

They're hardly 'off limits'.. It's just funny how those topics create mayhem.

[blackthroatedwind]

What we really need are more posts and threads about what a lousy trainer Chuck Simon is. I mean, honestly, does he ever have a winner?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

'bootleg' is bad?

"Bootleg" is a phrase I wouldn't have heard since 2000 were it not for Scav's constant usage.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by CSC

Is that all... Not much left to talk about after that, guess I'll go to bed. Thanks for updating me though on these "taboo" subjects here. I wouldn't want to offend anyone. BTW Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? What's the point of coming here if certain subjects are off limits.

he said those subjects inspire heated debate, as in discussion. not that they are taboo or off limits. indeed those are some of the most discussed and debated subjects.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Dan Illman seems to agree with me.

Whenever that happens I seriously reconsider my position.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What we really need are more posts and threads about what a lousy trainer Chuck Simon is. I mean, honestly, does he ever have a winner?

Come on...ever heard of Bubble Berry?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by CSC

Is that all... Not much left to talk about after that, guess I'll go to bed. Thanks for updating me though on these "taboo" subjects here. I wouldn't want to offend anyone. BTW Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? What's the point of coming here if certain subjects are off limits.

they've let me post here with this bootleg name for over a year.

i don't think you need to worry about taboo's.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Dan Illman seems to agree with me. And I see he has a blog at the drf. They must view him as a superior handicapper to you because I can't seem to find yours.

"Recapturetheglory has good speed, is proven at nine furlongs, and is one of the few three-year-olds that have earned a triple-digit Beyer Speed Figure. He’s an interesting sleeper."

http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...dar/radar.html

This is exactly the nursery school BS that has ruined the board this year. For some reason the newer members can't seem to post a contrary opinion without taking a cheap shot at the individuals who are responsible for DT in the first place.

Is it not enough to partake this free daily seminar in racing and wagering at times attended by racing personalities known and respected by the industry with no fees, commercials or limitations on subject matter?

Disagreements of thought do not license character assassination here lest we all be without the good graces of those that educate and inform asking nothing in return. Sometimes I think it might make sense to suggest people read for 90 days before they are given posting privileges rather than have them post this trash talking sewer speak 3 days after joining the forum!!

[fpsoxfan]

It's too bad about War Pass. Hopefully we will see him back sometime in the future. This was a fun horse to watch. War Pass not being in the Derby does take away from the race whether we think he would have won or not.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Disagreements of thought do not license character assassination here lest we all be without the good graces of those that educate and inform asking nothing in return.

Well said doc. Everybody is a keyboard big shot when someone has an educated oppinion which is different than their own. Grow-up, read, and learn!
I have learned a great deal from the opinions of the well respected public handicappers and others on this site. The great majority of people are dissapointed when they do not contribute beacause of innane attacks from jealous anonomous know-it-alls. Please, if you have nothing to contribute worthwhile, say nothing at all.

[pmayjr]

Without reading 5 pages of argumentative banter (it's my undiagnosed A.D.D. kickin' in), War Pass is a big loss to me in the derby. I wasn't gonna play him, or Big Brown, but I need War Pass to keep Big Brown honest on that lead, to set up for some closers hopefully.

I know there's other speed, but War Pass had the legit speed to keep up with Big Brown and hopefully set a torrid pace doing it. I'm not sure how I'm betting the derby yet, but (about to state the obvious here)- Big Brwn has to be an include in exotics now.

I apologize if this statement is very redundant.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by CSC

Is that all... Not much left to talk about after that, guess I'll go to bed. Thanks for updating me though on these "taboo" subjects here. I wouldn't want to offend anyone. BTW Isn't this supposed to be a discussion forum? What's the point of coming here if certain subjects are off limits.

As Steve and Jim already said, it isn't about topics being off-limits. I wasn't trying to give you a list of topics that shouldn't be discussed. I was just giving you a list of topics that - when they do come up - are sure to lead to discussions that tend to be lengthy and lively.

[Bigsmc]

So, if Lost in the Fog, Bernardini and Perfect Drift were all trained by Nick Zito, who would win if they ran on polytrack?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

So, if Lost in the Fog, Bernardini and Perfect Drift were all trained by Nick Zito, who would win if they ran on polytrack?

if that happened derbytrail would explode.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

So, if Lost in the Fog, Bernardini and Perfect Drift were all trained by Nick Zito, who would win if they ran on polytrack?

Funny Cide would romp - and the lead owners daughter would celebrate by doing a line off of Jose's body.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

if that happened derbytrail would explode.

Zito would have broken all of them down.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Without reading 5 pages of argumentative banter (it's my undiagnosed A.D.D. kickin' in), War Pass is a big loss to me in the derby. I wasn't gonna play him, or Big Brown, but I need War Pass to keep Big Brown honest on that lead, to set up for some closers hopefully.

I know there's other speed, but War Pass had the legit speed to keep up with Big Brown and hopefully set a torrid pace doing it. I'm not sure how I'm betting the derby yet, but (about to state the obvious here)- Big Brwn has to be an include in exotics now.

I apologize if this statement is very redundant.

I have no idea who to include. The 2008 Derby is a crap shoot. Pletcher gets a possible 3 horses in in the past week. Zito loses one. Pyro and Cool Coal Man ran clunkers--was it the track or not. Prado decides to ride Adriana instead of Monba. Velasques sticks with Cowboy Cal. Colonel John has never raced on dirt. WHO FREAKING KNOWS. I may take $180 and box the 10 longest shots in an exacta and call it a day.