Prop 8 Sucks

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Shut your big mouth you DNA junkie.

I'll kick yo azz

I've beaten up plenty of Marines before.

[Mortimer]

Ya like 2 trouts and a school of guppies.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

Alright, I'm going to throw in my two cents here (can't let Lori fight this battle single-handedly). Prop 8 p*ssed me off. I married my lifetime partner on August 15th in paddock #4 at Bay Meadows (we all know how much I loved that that track - there's the proof ). Sure, we had a lawyer draw up a trust, power of attorney and living will (at a cost of $3,500), had a civil union several years ago in Vermont and were registered domestic partners in California, but it's not the same. Yes, many of the rights are the same with a marriage and a domestic partnership (in California), the only big difference that I can think of off the top of my head is that my partner no longer has to pay taxes on the health benefits that she receives from my employer, she did when we were "domestic partners". But unlike "straight" marriage, mine probably won't be recognized if I cross state lines. If we are involved in an accident when we travel on vacation in another state, I may very well not be allowed to visit my wife in the hospital and make decisions on her care - my brother and his wife who live in Vermont would have no problem in this same situation. Unfair. If I move to another state, my marriage is not recognized, my brothers is. Unfair.

I'd like to discuss the "I chose to be gay". Who the h*ll would *choose* to be gay? Who *chooses* to be born tall or short, with brown eyes or blond hair, webbed toes - who chooses to be significantly different in any way? Why is 10% of the population left handed? Did you *choose* to like the opposite sex? I'm sorry for all of the folks born straight who just don't get it but I didn't choose this - I *knew* when I was 4 years old that I liked Lisa in my pre-school class the same way that my best friend Tommy liked her, but unfortunately, I absolutely knew in 1970 that a girl liking a girl was not cool - and how sad is that for a four year old kid to know that what they feel at the core of their very being is "not acceptable". It sucks.

For those of you in other parts of this great country, and there is no where else I'd rather live, I understand that this is not something you may understand, want to accept, or can even tolerate - but it is my life and the life or upwards of 10% of your fellow Americans - whether you like it or not, we are amongst you - we are your co-workers, your family members, your friends, your neighbors, and we may even be you. It's ok, we are all Americans and we look at for each other. The only thing that separates us is fear of the unknown, some hate, some misunderstanding and unfortunately, religious beliefs. There, I said it. Interpretation of the Bible separates us. You can read it anyway you want, but to say that my life is not worthy of the same rights you have is ridiculous. In the Old Testament, homosexuality is practically on the same level as eating shellfish and wearing blended fabrics - yes, all are an abomination. Think about why these items were "forbidden" - homosexuality didn't propagate the species, eating bad shellfish caused horrible illness and sometimes death, and blended fabrics simply looked tacky (ok, I made that part up). Times change, as evidenced by the Civil War, suffrage, Civil Rights, the fall of the Berlin Wall, etc. People afraid of change are simply fearful that the way that they live their life may change, and folks like to be comfortable. I know I do. But I also appreciate changes in my life and the lives of others – who can’t appreciate happiness and seeing others do well? Why wouldn’t we want that for others? Only two reasons – fear of change and wanting to impose your belief on others – neither are good reasons. Live your life, do it as well as you can, let others live theirs as well. And let God sort ‘em all out in the end – remember, that’s above your pay grade.

My two cents.

Oh my God what is the matter with you?


Ever hear that less is more?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Ya like 2 trouts and a school of guppies.

you calling yourself a guppy?

dont be scared. come take it like a man!

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you calling yourself a guppy?

dont be scared. come take it like a man!

Read 2 Thebby posts and go to bed.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Read 2 Thebby posts and go to bed.

I'm deleting the nice things i said about you in the other room



so you gonna come to Gulfstream for stupidbowl weekend?

[Mortimer]

I'm deleting the nice things i said about you in the other room

So am I...only I have a lot less work to do than you.



so you gonna come to Gulfstream for stupidbowl weekend?

Not unless Romeo can get me a "Because I couldn't go for 2 " package.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I'm deleting the nice things i said about you in the other room

So am I...only I have a lot less work to do than you.



so you gonna come to Gulfstream for stupidbowl weekend?

Not unless Romeo can get me a "Because I couldn't go for 2 " package.

YOU LIE!!!!

[Mortimer]

I'm surprised you haven't got in Derby Kit's pants.

[Mortimer]

Ah wonder when The Panda comes out of the closet?



Will Steve come with him?








Let's watch.

Should be fun.

[Mortimer]

And now ..for your enjoyment---coming out of the closet we have those 2 lovable Kentuckians....Rose and Thebby InMay.


Let's give the InMays a really big hand.

[Mortimer]

Hey--I don't coach pants.



Some day maybe you can explain away your gay friend----DDT HeCried.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Ah wonder when The Panda comes out of the closet?



Will Steve come with him?








Let's watch.

Should be fun.

that is funnY!

[Mortimer]

And as you know...the Browns are noted for their Dawg defense.


Oh my God.





Anyhooo---that is why they hired Romeo Kennel.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I would like to know which part is Hall worthy. The part where people choose to be gay or the straight couple that don't get benefits because they choose not to get married?

is it really shameful to believe that people prefer a lifestyle than to say they are genetically inclined that have no control ?

When you're told over n' over again, then you'd think you would believe them, but you know better than them? They're bluffing huh? If their families know they're gay, then I doubt they've ever been asked by their family "when are you gunna settle down with someone?" I It isn't cherished by families. At most it's "accepted." So, why would they make a choice to do something that isn't cherished? Why would they do this?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

When you're told over n' over again, then you'd think you would believe them, but you know better than them? They're bluffing huh? If their families know they're gay, then I doubt they've ever been asked by their family "when are you gunna settle down with someone?" I It isn't cherished by families. At most it's "accepted." So, why would they make a choice to do something that isn't cherished? Why would they do this?

I don't know why people vote the way they vote

I guess I should do that "it's above my pay grade" thing

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that was a really good post. shame that some will completely ignore it and continue with what they think, rather then learn from what people who know, who are living it, will tell them.

is everything about me

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

When you're told over n' over again, then you'd think you would believe them, but you know better than them? They're bluffing huh? If their families know they're gay, then I doubt they've ever been asked by their family "when are you gunna settle down with someone?" I It isn't cherished by families. At most it's "accepted." So, why would they make a choice to do something that isn't cherished? Why would they do this?

To put it another way, if the world were reversed and same-sex couples were the norm and opposite-sex coupling was taboo, could you suddenly adapt to that and find the same sex sexually attractive because society says you should?

One of my roommates in college had a father who was gay. But he tried to do "the right thing"- he got married, had a kid and tried until my roommate was ten, when he finally came out of the closet. There was a bad divorce, and her mom never dated afterwards that I know of- I think her ability to trust anyone was permanently shattered. Expecting a gay person to suck it up and marry a straight person does not make for healthy marriages for anyone involved.

[Mortimer]

^^^^ Has gay husband.