Don't think this is what WE had in mind...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it seems tho that both 'sides' engage in that type of supposed debate. too many folks are party first. anything their party does is a-ok, the other party is the spawn of the devil.

Contrary to popular belief....I'm not happy with the Republicans either!
...but you're right...Liberals are spawns of the Devil!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it seems tho that both 'sides' engage in that type of supposed debate. too many folks are party first. anything their party does is a-ok, the other party is the spawn of the devil.

Hell even the opinion pieces in liberal leaning papers and mags do a whole lot more complaining about Bush than they do about the economic reality. They also are almost universally koolaid drinkers who feel that anyone who doesnt agree with the stimlus is just trying to 'sabotage' the economy as oppose to lookng at the issues that are raised.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

speaking of the 'fairness doctrine', i read again a couple days ago that obama is against it.

As it is currently called. Wait and see when it is reintroduced later and called something else.

He is also against the other insane "truth" crap about investigating Bush being talked about by the far left. No doubt he doesnt want that used against him when he is out of office as opposed to any great love for George, Dick and the gang.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hell even the opinion pieces in liberal leaning papers and mags do a whole lot more complaining about Bush than they do about the economic reality. They also are almost universally koolaid drinkers who feel that anyone who doesnt agree with the stimlus is just trying to 'sabotage' the economy as oppose to lookng at the issues that are raised.

very true. it's funny tho, many of the more liberal papers took huge issue with bushes 'with us or against us' mantra (which they should have) but they then do exactly what you stated above.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As it is currently called. Wait and see when it is reintroduced later and called something else.

He is also against the other insane "truth" crap about investigating Bush being talked about by the far left. No doubt he doesnt want that used against him when he is out of office as opposed to any great love for George, Dick and the gang.

he's no dummy.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never said that Bush was off limits. I just said that more often than not he is the main or only reply to a question or inquiry about Democrats or liberals. It is pretty consistent in this and other boards that most of the posters that dont agree with something that is said about democrats, liberals or their policies slam Bush as opposed to backing their reasoning why the original post was not correct.

here is a typical Q & A

Conservative - Obama's stimlus package is not goign to work because it is way more govt spending on social issues than it is on true economic stimlus.

Liberal - Yeah Bush sucks

Conservative - The "Fairness Doctrine" is an outdated piece of trash legistalion that is not only biased against one form of media, it is bad economic policy for the struggling radio industry.

Liberal - Bush is a war criminal and Cheney is the devil

Conservative - The housing 'bailout' is going to reward the people who least deserve the help and may wind up making the issues worse while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.

Liberal - Bush and his greedy CEO buddies are criminals

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Contrary to popular belief....I'm not happy with the Republicans either!
...but you're right...Liberals are spawns of the Devil!

it's funny you mention that...it always cracks me up when i post something that gets agreed with, and i'm soooo smart. but then i post something, and those same folks (and you do this timmi, you know it) are suddenly on the attack, and i'm sooo dumb. hilarious.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

Guess again.

The subject of my post was about the GOP party leader ploting a party comeback from the wilderness by turning to hip-hop.

And I hate to break the news to you ... but the Bush adminstartion is the main reason why the GOP is finally out in the political wilderness... it's not because of there lack of inroads in hip-hop culture.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's funny you mention that...it always cracks me up when i post something that gets agreed with, and i'm soooo smart. but then i post something, and those same folks (and you do this timmi, you know it) are suddenly on the attack, and i'm sooo dumb. hilarious.

Ziggy: For some reason here, posters apparently are scrutinized with a complete background check and all previous posts are scanned for political uses. I agree with you, and I sometimes disagree with you. I don't think that a persons' brainpower rises and lowers with a thread or post.
After all....this is a forum for discussion...hopefully not just for rants!

ps.....can you hear me now??

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Guess again.

The subject of my post was about the GOP party leader ploting a party comeback from the wilderness by turning to hip-hop.

And I hate to break the news to you ... but the Bush adminstartion is the main reason why the GOP is finally out in the political wilderness... it's not because of there lack of inroads in hip-hop culture.

Nice segue into that thought...who knew? For all you libs....Try 2006 as the
year the economy started to tank.
If that is Steeles plan....then I guess this country will continue to tilt until it's wasted all its' promise and resources.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

if you go to zillow.com you can see how badly hit CA, AZ, and FL are compared to the rest of the country. There are plenty of areas of the country where the home values are not falling or are actually rising again.

Yep ... 'condos' in my apartment complex that sold for $240k 9 months ago are now on the market for $85k. Crazy shiat.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

Give him some time. He hasn't had enough time in office to phuck it up, but I'm sure he will. We elected a man into office that really had no leadership experience whatsoever ... IMO that will be his biggest downfall and that inexperience will rear its ugly head at some point.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Give him some time. He hasn't had enough time in office to phuck it up, but I'm sure he will. We elected a man into office that really had no leadership experience whatsoever ... IMO that will be his biggest downfall and that inexperience will rear its ugly head at some point.

I remember the same type of things being said about Clinton when he first took office.

He did a spectacular job.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I remember the same type of things being said about Clinton when he first took office.

He did a spectacular job.

You do?

Clinton had much more experience than this guy.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

When talking about a politican ... I think experience is something overrated anyway. Kind of like the longer they've been around the more likely they become to be seduced by greed and temptations. Leadership is also very overrated imo.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

When talking about a politican ... I think experience is something overrated anyway. Kind of like the longer they've been around the more likely they become to be seduced by greed and temptations. Leadership is also very overrated imo.

Or covering your ass which seems like what Obama is doing by bailing out Freddie and Fannie.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Covering my ass how exactly?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

I think that this post about sums up what I am talking about. We arent talking about Limbaugh or Olberman, we are talking about what gets posted here.

The right has hardly spewed negativity towards Obama directly. Despite your claims, the right has been so concerned with the 'stimlus' and now the housing farce that the Obama administration has almost gotten a pass for poor job it has done in vetting its appointments. Your second paragraph absolutely sums up why liberals are sticking their heads in the sand on the issues. The absolute hatred of Bush overcomes all reasonable thinking.

The issues at hand are not being debated, just Bush, Bush, Bush. And that is simply tedious. If you cant debate the issues, blame Bush. If you can debate the issues and use things that Bush did wrong then more power to you.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Obama wipes his butt with his left hand istead of his right, Limbaugh is going to find fault, Dellinger is going to start a new thread and Timmi will agree with it. The hypocrisy of the right and their indigination that a Democrat is in power supercedes any type of constructive criticism that they might have. Where was all this hand wringing the last 8 years? Dellinger has started more threads in the past 6 weeks about politics than in the previous 3 years on DT. And that is where Bush comes in....A lot of what he did is responsible for why we are here just as much as lot of what Clinton did affected Bush's first years in office. I totally agree that there is a lot to fault in this stimulus package, but the legitimate protests and valid points are just lost in the barrage of negativity that the right is spewing.

And in the grand scheme of things, many liberals still feel that whatever faults Obama has in either in appointments or policy, it still pales in comparison to the attrocities the Bush administration encouraged....and that is why Bush will always be relevant in this type of conversations at some level. To the left it's a huge double standard.

Yesterday Rush told his audience that the richest 1% of Americans, "should be treated like royalty," because they pay all of the taxes. Now, Limbaugh says some pretty strange things....but that one really shocked me (and yes, I do listen to him a couple of times a week). Later in the same segment, he repeated his statement with even more emphasis: "THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ROYALTY!!"

Now, that seems like a really strange strategy to employ when attempting to rally the troops behind conservative economic principles, but I guess when they are completely out of ideas, and all of their old ones have been proven ineffective, direct appeals to embracing aristocracy might be all they have left.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by gales0678

why not a "tax holiday" for every american

why do the people who bought houses that they could afford or the people who continued to rent because they knew thay couldn't afford a house bailout people who bought more house than they could afford?

we need housing prices to drop more now in all parts of the country, the quicker we get to the bottom the quicker the recovery will be, we can't put a band aid solution on all the foreclsoures , let the mkt for house prices fall to their natural levels

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