Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta

[randallscott35]

This thread is frightening.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is an easy one. Just rename the Kentucky Oaks the Rachel Alexandra iz Hella Awesome!!!1!11!! Stakes. That should one-up these whores.

Seriously, what a bunch of jokers behind this horse. Mike Smith says she's even better on the dirt. Whoever was conducting the interview should've given that toolbox a swirlie right then and there.

If Rachel can win the BC Classic next year assuming that her campaign doesn't end in Aug-Sept, then maybe she can have a race named after her also. This renaming of races is alot of nonsense to me anyway, I don't think this cheapens Lady's Secret legacy to any knowledgable race fan, there are many races that have been renamed and while I would have kept the name of the race the way it was, I am not getting worked up over it, this just seems to be another way to pile to take shots at Zenyatta by her naysayers. I'm going to file this one away when Rachel has a race named after her and if the circumstances are simliar will there be the same vociferous objections.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

If Rachel can win the BC Classic next year assuming that her campaign doesn't end in Aug-Sept, then maybe she can have a race named after her also. This renaming of races is alot of nonsense to me anyway, I don't think this cheapens Lady's Secret legacy to the knowledgable race fans, there are many races that have been renamed and while I would have kept the name of the race the way it was, I am not getting worked up over it, this just seems to be another way to pile to take shots at Zenyatta by her naysayers. I'm going to file it away when Rachel has a race named after her and if the circumstances are simliar will there be the same vociferous objections.

if they renamed the honeybee, the martha washington or the fantasy, i wouldn't care. but if they took away say, the personal ensign and renamed it, i would definitely have a problem. as was said above, it's not zen getting a race-it's lady's secret losing one.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if they renamed the honeybee, the martha washington or the fantasy, i wouldn't care. but if they took away say, the personal ensign and renamed it, i would definitely have a problem. as was said above, it's not zen getting a race-it's lady's secret losing one.

You have to admit, if a race was renamed after Rachel Alexandra alot of these same bashers would probably stand and applaud it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

You have to admit, if a race was renamed after Rachel Alexandra alot of these same bashers would probably stand and applaud it.

Way to totally miss the point.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

You have to admit, if a race was renamed after Rachel Alexandra alot of these same bashers would probably stand and applaud it.

Not true. They shouldn't be naming a race after a horse who retired a few weeks ago. I would be against it if it was for Rachel as well. Try again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

You have to admit, if a race was renamed after Rachel Alexandra alot of these same bashers would probably stand and applaud it.

i doubt it. everyone has been pretty consistent about renaming races and getting angered by it. the la troienne immediately comes to mind, as does the sir barton being renamed the barbaro-and we all know how popular barbaro was/is. you're projecting since anything regarding zenyatta seems to make you immediately on the defensive. this has nothing to do with which is better, and has everything to do with lady's secret getting the boot.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt it. everyone has been pretty consistent about renaming races and getting angered by it. the la troienne immediately comes to mind, as does the sir barton being renamed the barbaro-and we all know how popular barbaro was/is. you're projecting since anything regarding zenyatta seems to make you immediately on the defensive. this has nothing to do with which is better, and has everything to do with lady's secret getting the boot.

Not really, I'm bored.

But For argument's sake:

Lady's Secret raced once at SA winning the Distaff.

Zenyatta has won 2 BC and 2 LS's and created history by being the 1st filly/mare to win the Classic all at SA.

Though as I stated renaming races is alot to do about nothing to me, if they were to rename a race, this one is not outrageous by any means by what she accomplished at SA. From a historical standpoint she has had alot more memorable monents at SA than LS did.

It's not like they are renaming the Lady's Secret the Lethal Heat Stakes.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Not true. They shouldn't be naming a race after a horse who retired a few weeks ago. I would be against it if it was for Rachel as well. Try again.

Why do I find that hard to believe?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

Why do I find that hard to believe?

I have no idea. I don't think Cigar should have a race named after him. Does that help?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I have no idea. I don't think Cigar should have a race named after him. Does that help?

Well if there were only a King or Queen in N.Y like they have overseas... or maybe we could call it the Barrack or Michelle Obama Hdcp.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Try to follow. When you refuse to try your horse on dirt or outside of California more than once in 14 starts, then crow after she's retired about how she's an even better horse on dirt, yes, talk is cheap.

crow? Someone asks a question in a podcast to her rider....he says "I think she was better on dirt"..........Crow? Wow. He should say listen you dumb suma of a bitcch...dont ask me no dirt questions

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

crow? Someone asks a question in a podcast to her rider....he says "I think she was better on dirt"..........Crow? Wow. He should say listen you dumb suma of a bitcch...dont ask me no dirt questions

I would've been happier with that answer. Bottom line is both of them have said it, and it's completely meaningless since they could've proven what they think, and didn't bother.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by CSC

Not really, I'm bored.

But For argument's sake:

Lady's Secret raced once at SA winning the Distaff.

Zenyatta has won 2 BC and 2 LS's and created history by being the 1st filly/mare to win the Classic all at SA.

Though as I stated renaming races is alot to do about nothing to me, if they were to rename a race, this one is not outrageous by any means by what she accomplished at SA. From a historical standpoint she has had alot more memorable monents at SA than LS did.

It's not like they are renaming the Lady's Secret the Lethal Heat Stakes.

Please look stuff up beforehand.

Lady's Secret nearly took the entire La Canada series at SA, and also won the Santa Margarita.

The only reason people shouldn't care about the switch is that the Lady's Secret Handicap was created solely as a prep for the Breeder's Cup back in '95 I think, so while the horse's name is quite historic the race itself is not.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Please look stuff up beforehand.

Lady's Secret nearly took the entire La Canada series at SA, and also won the Santa Margarita.

The only reason people shouldn't care about the switch is that the Lady's Secret Handicap was created solely as a prep for the Breeder's Cup back in '95 I think, so while the horse's name is quite historic the race itself is not.

Okay I stand corrected, I should have stated of her major wins only the Distaff was at SA. The rest were at various tracks, but the point was and wouldn't you agree that from a historical standpoint Z's accomplishments were better at SA than LS and this is in no way disrespecting LS as a racemare, we all know she was one of the alltime greats.

Moccasin Stakes (1984)
The Darley Test (1985)
Ballerina Handicap (1985)
Monmouth Regret Stakes (1985)
Ruffian Handicap (1985, 1986)
Beldame Stakes (1985, 1986)
Maskette Handicap (1985, 1986)
Whitney Handicap (1986)
Molly Pitcher Handicap (1986)
Shuvee Handicap (1986)
Breeders' Cup wins:
Breeders' Cup Distaff (1986)

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by CSC

Okay I stand corrected, I should have stated of her major wins only the Distaff was at SA. The rest were at various tracks, but the point was and wouldn't you agree that from a historical standpoint Z's accomplishments were better at SA than LS and this is in no way disrespecting LS as a racemare, we all know she was one of the alltime greats.

Moccasin Stakes (1984)
The Darley Test (1985)
Ballerina Handicap (1985)
Monmouth Regret Stakes (1985)
Ruffian Handicap (1985, 1986)
Beldame Stakes (1985, 1986)
Maskette Handicap (1985, 1986)
Whitney Handicap (1986)
Molly Pitcher Handicap (1986)
Shuvee Handicap (1986)
Breeders' Cup wins:
Breeders' Cup Distaff (1986)

So now the Santa Margarita and La Canada are not major wins? They're both marquee events at the SA winter meet. Nice backslide.

Geez, what are Zenyatta's big wins outside the BC races?

Guess what? The El Encino is the 2nd leg of the La Canada series, and LS won that too, anyways.

As mentioned previously, the Lady's Secret Hcp is strictly a prep created for the BC.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

So now the Santa Margarita and La Canada are not major wins? They're both marquee events at the SA winter meet. Nice backslide.

Geez, what are Zenyatta's big wins outside the BC races?

Guess what? The El Encino is the 2nd leg of the La Canada series, and LS won that too, anyways.

As mentioned previously, the Lady's Secret Hcp is strictly a prep created for the BC.

Not a backslide, the page I went to listed LS's major wins so my error was and I admitted to it (they didn't list La Canada as a major win) was I didn't dig further for her entire race record.

BTW The La Canada & El Encino Stakes are rated as grade 2 races and the Lady's Secret is a grade 1, The question was which horse has been more influential at SA and I think when you look at their records at SA you can only come up with one horse.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

As mentioned previously, the Lady's Secret Hcp is strictly a prep created for the BC.

BTW this is an opinion, you can say this about the Jockey Gold Cup also. Does it tarnish this race because of it's timing of the race? Judging by your reasoning for the LS, it would.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

BTW this is an opinion, you can say this about the Jockey Gold Cup also. Does it tarnish this race because of it's timing of the race? Judging by your reasoning for the LS, it would.

Terrible comparison. The Lady's Secret was created specifically as a prep for the BC. The JCGC was the BC before 25 years ago.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Terrible comparison. The Lady's Secret was created specifically as a prep for the BC. The JCGC was the BC before 25 years ago.

But what race a month or 2 months before the BC isn't a prep today, it is unfair to single out The LS, that is why there is a grading system in place. Regardless Zenyatta has won 4 grade 1's at SA, 2 at the highest possible level, one with massive historically impact, LS has only won 1 at the highest level. If one is impartial that is still 1 better than LS even giving her the benefit of the doubt of The La Canada series that Rollo wants to give her.